TR Air Defence Programs

[UkroTurk]

Roketsan Levent

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683743624247255040

LEVENT

Göksur vs Levent ! Which one would you prefer?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

LEVENT

Göksur vs Levent ! Which one would you prefer?

I have no doubt that both will be excellent systems but we need to know AESA radar and missile capabilities for comparison. Radar detection ranges, jamming resistance, missile ranges, reaction times and mmaneuverabilityof missiles are important.

 

[UkroTurk]

Guidance passive RF and IIR
Diameter:128mm
Weight :70kg
Range:11km

Platform:Navy/Air

So Levent differs from Bozdoğan with Passive radar seeker, shape and weight. ( İ don't think it has datalink capability)

You could launch it from Bayraktar onto radar sources as anti radiation missile .


Levent launcher seems lighter and more compact than Göksur's.

 

[CAN_TR]

Credits to Arda Mevlütoglu @orko_8

HISAR-A , HISAR-O, SIPER-Blk1

 

[uçuyorum]

Credits to Arda Mevlütoglu @orko_8

HISAR-A , HISAR-O, SIPER-Blk1
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Hisar B? You mean O / D ?

 

[UkroTurk]

Credits @Quasar

Siper air defense missile
Without booster 70km range
Length 538cm.

(Diameter235mm) speculation

Hisar O (IIR)
20km range
447cm


Also another speculation
HİSAR-O+ RF Füzesi
25km range, 16km+ altitude
4.6m length

 

[Radko]

Credits @Quasar
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What is the taped thing

 

[UkroTurk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683933373960712194

They are deliberately making us puzzled


Siper Block 1 just 12cm longer than Siper B O. Thanks 12cm it flies more 30km


Where is the range of Siper with booster?

Siper differs from Hisar O with GPS / two way Datalink.

Hisar O has INS but doesn't have GPS.
Hisar O has one-way Datalink but doesn't have two-way!

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683933373960712194

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They are deliberately making us puzzled


Siper Block 1 just 12cm longer than Siper B O. Thanks 12cm it flies more 30km


Where is the range of Siper with booster?

Both stated range includes booster.
Otherwise, they are just two version of HISAR O RF.

And I don’t think it is too surprising.

AIM-120 C-7 and AIM-120 C-8/D both uses the same motor. Yet the later has substantial increase in the range due to upgrade in software and guidance electronics.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Hydro GIDS

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683912727213883392

 

[Aqerdf]

Big..

Göksur can fire both Bozdoğan and also Gökdoğan missiles...

via Defence Turk

Savaş gemilerinin yeni savunması GÖKSUR!

ASELSAN, deniz platformları için hava savunma çözümlerine BOZDOĞAN-DH füzelerini kullanan GÖKSUR deniz hava savunma sistemini ekledi.

www.defenceturk.net

 

[uçuyorum]

Big..

Göksur can fire both Bozdoğan and also Gökdoğan missiles...

via Defence Turk

Savaş gemilerinin yeni savunması GÖKSUR!

ASELSAN, deniz platformları için hava savunma çözümlerine BOZDOĞAN-DH füzelerini kullanan GÖKSUR deniz hava savunma sistemini ekledi.

www.defenceturk.net

Doesn't that make this not a ram equivalent but essentially something that gets into ESSM hybrid territory?

 

[Anmdt]

LEVENT

Göksur vs Levent ! Which one would you prefer?

Levent utilizes favorly affordable radars for 360 degree coverage, which is logical to cut prices down since the backward facing radars are merely for scanning, not tracking. If they upscale it to 20+ missiles this system could be an ultimate anti-drone, anti-loitering munition protection system with the Block 1 missiles. These missiles are also light on the weight thus has smaller logistic footprint and could be replenished by personnel without needing a winch or elevator. Could be affordable by many navies and integrated as a standalone solution.

Goksur outperforms Levent in terms of radar and missile performance; range, tracking&classification and missile range&kinetics performance. This leads to higher acquisition cost, larger logistical footprint, necessity of winch and elevator for the missile installation. Becomes suitable for large corvettes and frigates/destroyers.

In my opinion both should be devoloped and procured for different platforms. Levent would suit to YTKB, auxillaries, OPVs, USVs, Landing ships/crafts while Goksur would be beneficial for LHD, Ada, I-Class, TF-2000 and others that may emerge within the given range.

For the obvious reasons Goksur outperforms with a better radar, better missile (Bozdogan-Gokdogan-?), but Levent provides the best logistical footprint, decent protection at an affordable price. Levent was first critisized for the radar facing-angle, yet these are 2-way scanning aesa radar that may cover the horizon sufficiently but a better focus up on the sky, hence the loitering-diving drones-munitions.

As i expected i say that we should have all as now we are an exporter for these systems and there are potential customers for these non-existent kind of systems. I also believe Aselsan should continue development of hybrid systems (gun-missile combined Goker-D)

 

[Anmdt]

rumor is that for FACs there wil be point deffence and AESA?? is it related with Levent or a different solution? if true off course

Who says it is rumored? It is clear as water that TTFAB will be equipped with independent PDMS system. It has been issued on the RfI/RfP years ago. And not just because RAM was not able to be procured, Sapan PDMS project existed specially for TTFAB.

 

[Khagan1923]

Who says it is rumored? It is clear as water that TTFAB will be equipped with independent PDMS system. It has been issued on the RfI/RfP years ago. And not just because RAM was not able to be procured, Sapan PDMS project existed specially for TTFAB.

This off-topic but is there a reason why we haven't heard or seen anything about TTFAB for a short while now?

 

[Anmdt]

This off-topic but is there a reason why we haven't heard or seen anything about TTFAB for a short while now?

"Decision makers" are whom we are waiting for.
It is within bermuda triangle of SSB-DzKK-Designer.

 

[uçuyorum]

Who says it is rumored? It is clear as water that TTFAB will be equipped with independent PDMS system. It has been issued on the RfI/RfP years ago. And not just because RAM was not able to be procured, Sapan PDMS project existed specially for TTFAB.

It has been teased that there is another version of Göksur with a mystery launcher configuration for FAC, so that was Sapan?

 

[Anmdt]

It has been teased that there is another version of Göksur with a mystery launcher configuration for FAC, so that was Sapan?

Goksur if chosen will be used as is. The missile itself is Sapan.

ok lets try to rephrase the question in 2021 Roketsan offered Sungur D for Sapan (ASELSAN-TUBİTAK-ROKETSAN) is Sungr D replaced by Bozdoğan?

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It was SAGE offering Bozdogan with an improved seeker and later passive RF in block II while Roketsan hopped in, by telling anyway they are developing Sungur ER (D for naval use) that can later evolve into block II. This systems will both have stand-alone variants like SeaRAM and dependent on ship's sensors variany similar to RAM with more missiles.

 

[Anmdt]

Goksur if chosen will be used as is. The missile itself is Sapan.

It was SAGE offering Bozdogan with an improved seeker and later passive RF in block II while Roketsan hopped in, by telling anyway they are developing Sungur ER (D for naval use) that can later evolve into block II. This systems will both have stand-alone variants like SeaRAM and dependent on ship's sensors variany similar to RAM with more missiles.

Lets note these launchers can also be used for other purposes, to launch Cirit, UMTAS GM, Kuzgun, Kuzgun-ER.

 

[UkroTurk]

If 15 Tuzla class YTKBs had 4 AESA Plates from BURÇ or GÜRZ , they would be real gap closer over shores against Cruise missiles and UAVs. For sure the TUZLA CLASS should also need LEVENT or SUNGURs.

AESA radars of BURÇ seem more compact, practical and cheaper than GÜRZ.
İ-Class frigate has huge, powerful rotating D-Band radar so Burç's compact AESA radar could enable to switch off CENK-D while securing point defense. I am opposite of rotating two MAR-Ds in I-Class

I would put AESA radars of GÜRZ onto Ada class since Corvettes have just PESA rotating radar.