TR Air Defence Programs

[Quasar]

thanks!
Yasar

 

[Kaan Azman]

I think I can try to find the dimmensions for a dualpack SİPER B2 using blender and MİDLAS's dimmension estimates from photos. Stay tuned

 

[Anmdt]

SIPER Block-2 is a completely new design. It is not a derivative of HİSAR RF Missiles such as B0, such as HİSAR O+ and B1, with a booster attached and some aerodynamic design improvement to reach a range of 100km.

While 235mm diameter, 5.3m length and 100km range are given for the SİPER B1 Missile, these values are 420mm, 6.2m and 150km for the SİPER Block 2 Missile. According to the ASELSAN roadmap, ballistic missile interception capability with the SIPER System will be achieved in 2028.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695407742335291810

I am doubting 6.2 meters for the length, 420 should be corresponding to the width (diamater) with the strakes-dorsal fins, assuming this total length comes down to 5.4 to 5.7 which is favorable for the kind of the missile. With booster it may be above 6 meters.

 

[Afif]

I am doubting 6.2 meters for the length, 420 should be corresponding to the width (diamater) with the strakes-dorsal fins, assuming this total length comes down to 5.4 to 5.7 which is favorable for the kind of the missile. With booster it may be above 6 meters.

It will have a booster too? I thought the point was to have a single body.

 

[Radonsider]

It will have a booster too? I thought the point was to have a single body.

Think of it like SM-2 and SM-2BIV/SM-6

 

[Radonsider]

I am doubting 6.2 meters for the length, 420 should be corresponding to the width (diamater) with the strakes-dorsal fins, assuming this total length comes down to 5.4 to 5.7 which is favorable for the kind of the missile. With booster it may be above 6 meters.

So we might see something like a double-pack? At least given that MIDLAS should be at least 61x61cm if it is going to carry BM's

 

[TheInsider]

420 mm diameter includes dorsal fins so it is possible to dual pack this in a 22"*22" VLS cell provided that Tubitak comes up with foldable fins. But I doubt that. The missile already looks really expensive. Tail fins are foldable and that makes me suspicious.

 

[Anmdt]

So we might see something like a double-pack? At least given that MIDLAS should be at least 61x61cm if it is going to carry BM's

Nobody cares about double pack at this point and i don't know what is the hype for. Quadpacking of other missiles (Hisar-D, Siper B1D) and evolving this missile into a BM interceptor are far more important goals than double packing this missile.

It will have a booster too? I thought the point was to have a single body.

The goal is to have 150+ km range and a certain altitude with single body. Naturally there will be a version with booster.

 

[Quasar]

Nobody cares about double pack at this point and i don't know what is the hype for. Quadpacking of other missiles (Hisar-D, Siper B1D) and evolving this missile into a BM interceptor are far more important goals than double packing this missile.

we are kind of at the begining and may be way too early to talk about but would love to hear your opinion on the potantial performance of HİSAR D against supersonic anti ship missiles

 

[UkroTurk]

Nobody cares about double pack at this point and i don't know what is the hype for.

İt was me scrutinizing doublepack issue.
Görmemişin oğlu olmuş tutmuş çükünü koparmış.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Nobody cares about double pack at this point and i don't know what is the hype for. Quadpacking of other missiles (Hisar-D, Siper B1D) and evolving this missile into a BM interceptor are far more important goals than double packing this missile.

No need for negativity, it is fun to work on ideas like that; it ain't hype, it is people wondering to themselves. Discussions like that keep forums alive when developments become a bit too rare.

 

[AWP]

I don't understand why MILDAS project have to follow the US vls standard ? for what ?

I mean that Turkey will soon reach it's full independence with producing it's own navel missiles and with this Turkey will never buy any missiles from the west until the end of time. so why not make the Turkish VLS for the Turkish missile with the standard they want ?

Russia and China are using their own VLS system to fit the missiles they produce

 

[Bogeyman]

I don't understand why MILDAS project have to follow the US vls standard ? for what ?

I mean that Turkey will soon reach it's full independence with producing it's own navel missiles and with this Turkey will never buy any missiles from the west until the end of time. so why not make the Turkish VLS for the Turkish missile with the standard they want ?

Russia and China are using their own VLS system to fit the missiles they produce

Mandatory for export. The countries you will export may want to use the US-origin missiles in their possession. Or they may want to buy missiles from the USA again in the future. Having extra options makes them easier to market.

 

[Anmdt]

we are kind of at the begining and may be way too early to talk about but would love to hear your opinion on the potantial performance of HİSAR D against supersonic anti ship missiles

Can't tell much before seeing sea trials against a sea skimming target, but with two way data link, dual pulse motors and agility we have seen, it should perform decently.
Hisar-O RF pulled a good maneuver to engage low altitude short range target at the latest video, we may expect similar or better performance in Hisar D B1/B2.

 

[Brave Janissary]

More important problem than Quad and Doublepacking is Launching Essm from midlas and siper from Mk-41 Vls. We have 3x 16 Vls ship and 6x 8 vls ship . Ships doesnt sailing alone generally. They sail in a squadron or fillolita. We can establish 3 fillolita which consist 1x 16 Vls ship and 2x 8 Vls ship who carry 16x vls ones (8x Siper and 32x Essm/Hisar-d) and 8x ones (4x Siper and 16x Essm/Hisar-D) in the total of fleet 16x Siper and 64x Essm/Hisar-D in the fillolita thats can carry minnimum requirements. But other option is deadly.

 

[UkroTurk]

Photoshopmasters Could you please add here, SİPER B2+ B1?

 

[Kaan Azman]

So, estimates on 6.2 m length and 420 mm missile diameter (Not total diameter) seem to be true. Does anyone have info on MİDLAS's diameter?

 

[Heartbang]

So, estimates on 6.2 m length and 420 mm missile diameter (Not total diameter) seem to be true. Does anyone have info on MİDLAS's diameter? View attachment 60572

Should be the same as Mk41 VLS

 

[Altay_TR]

Mr. Ibrahim also stated that a new missile that can be packaged as an ESSM-like quad-pack is being developed with modifications to be carried out on the Hisar RF-D (the missile we see as Siper Blok-1).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695411592001671662

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695424320896422374

 

[Sanchez]

Changing the topic from missile production, per Hisar for KKK, do anyone know what are the latest numbers to be procured or already procured for Hisar A and O?