TR Air Defence Programs

[Anmdt]

So we might see something like a double-pack? At least given that MIDLAS should be at least 61x61cm if it is going to carry BM's

Nobody cares about double pack at this point and i don't know what is the hype for. Quadpacking of other missiles (Hisar-D, Siper B1D) and evolving this missile into a BM interceptor are far more important goals than double packing this missile.

It will have a booster too? I thought the point was to have a single body.

The goal is to have 150+ km range and a certain altitude with single body. Naturally there will be a version with booster.

 

[Quasar]

Nobody cares about double pack at this point and i don't know what is the hype for. Quadpacking of other missiles (Hisar-D, Siper B1D) and evolving this missile into a BM interceptor are far more important goals than double packing this missile.

we are kind of at the begining and may be way too early to talk about but would love to hear your opinion on the potantial performance of HİSAR D against supersonic anti ship missiles

 

[UkroTurk]

Nobody cares about double pack at this point and i don't know what is the hype for.

İt was me scrutinizing doublepack issue.
Görmemişin oğlu olmuş tutmuş çükünü koparmış.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Nobody cares about double pack at this point and i don't know what is the hype for. Quadpacking of other missiles (Hisar-D, Siper B1D) and evolving this missile into a BM interceptor are far more important goals than double packing this missile.

No need for negativity, it is fun to work on ideas like that; it ain't hype, it is people wondering to themselves. Discussions like that keep forums alive when developments become a bit too rare.

 

[AWP]

I don't understand why MILDAS project have to follow the US vls standard ? for what ?

I mean that Turkey will soon reach it's full independence with producing it's own navel missiles and with this Turkey will never buy any missiles from the west until the end of time. so why not make the Turkish VLS for the Turkish missile with the standard they want ?

Russia and China are using their own VLS system to fit the missiles they produce

 

[Bogeyman]

I don't understand why MILDAS project have to follow the US vls standard ? for what ?

I mean that Turkey will soon reach it's full independence with producing it's own navel missiles and with this Turkey will never buy any missiles from the west until the end of time. so why not make the Turkish VLS for the Turkish missile with the standard they want ?

Russia and China are using their own VLS system to fit the missiles they produce

Mandatory for export. The countries you will export may want to use the US-origin missiles in their possession. Or they may want to buy missiles from the USA again in the future. Having extra options makes them easier to market.

 

[Anmdt]

we are kind of at the begining and may be way too early to talk about but would love to hear your opinion on the potantial performance of HİSAR D against supersonic anti ship missiles

Can't tell much before seeing sea trials against a sea skimming target, but with two way data link, dual pulse motors and agility we have seen, it should perform decently.
Hisar-O RF pulled a good maneuver to engage low altitude short range target at the latest video, we may expect similar or better performance in Hisar D B1/B2.

 

[Brave Janissary]

More important problem than Quad and Doublepacking is Launching Essm from midlas and siper from Mk-41 Vls. We have 3x 16 Vls ship and 6x 8 vls ship . Ships doesnt sailing alone generally. They sail in a squadron or fillolita. We can establish 3 fillolita which consist 1x 16 Vls ship and 2x 8 Vls ship who carry 16x vls ones (8x Siper and 32x Essm/Hisar-d) and 8x ones (4x Siper and 16x Essm/Hisar-D) in the total of fleet 16x Siper and 64x Essm/Hisar-D in the fillolita thats can carry minnimum requirements. But other option is deadly.

 

[UkroTurk]

Photoshopmasters Could you please add here, SİPER B2+ B1?

 

[Kaan Azman]

So, estimates on 6.2 m length and 420 mm missile diameter (Not total diameter) seem to be true. Does anyone have info on MİDLAS's diameter?

 

[Heartbang]

So, estimates on 6.2 m length and 420 mm missile diameter (Not total diameter) seem to be true. Does anyone have info on MİDLAS's diameter? View attachment 60572

Should be the same as Mk41 VLS

 

[Altay_TR]

Mr. Ibrahim also stated that a new missile that can be packaged as an ESSM-like quad-pack is being developed with modifications to be carried out on the Hisar RF-D (the missile we see as Siper Blok-1).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695411592001671662

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1695424320896422374

 

[Sanchez]

Changing the topic from missile production, per Hisar for KKK, do anyone know what are the latest numbers to be procured or already procured for Hisar A and O?

 

[uçuyorum]

Hisar D RF already differs from Hisard O RF somewhat right?

So from this statement Hisar D RF block 2 will be like a hybrid between Siper and Hisar.

 

[UkroTurk]

Do you really think They won't produce G40?
I think they are cheating.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Mr. Ibrahim also stated that a new missile that can be packaged as an ESSM-like quad-pack is being developed with modifications to be carried out on the Hisar RF-D (the missile we see as Siper Blok-1).

Folding strakes which seem to be positioned more forward with folding fins to accompany them. Overall diameter seems to be the same with HİSAR RF but the shape might be more uniform.

Do you really think They won't produce G40?
I think they are cheating.

I feel your pain. It could be developed even faster if you think about it. But I ain't gonna complain as HİSAR-D Block 2 will retain advantages like TVC and dual pulse engine. Would rather like to see G40 re-evolved into an extended range GÖKDOĞAN as an alternative missile for GÖKDEMİR and possibly aircraft. AMRAAM-ER is being studied as an interim extended range air to air missile after its journey with NASAMS.

 

[Terrain]

Burc X a larger variant envisioned on one of the weapon platforms vehicles: Otokar Akrep 2.

BTW not to scale

Imagine this in every Kalekol and light vehicle convoys.

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[Kaan Azman]

Yeah good idea, I should probably make a BURÇ sometime, but BURC is so wide on its own. They could probably modify missile launchers (I'd say adding the extra space above instead of widening) to have provisions for SUNGUR, CİRİT and OMTAS canisters. I don't see much advantage in OMTAS because of its rather short range though. If we could have 2x UMTAS-GM Block 1, that might work better.

Murat İkinci once said that they will add LEVENT missiles to BURÇ. This means there will be longer and probably larger missile pods (Hope they consider transitioning to 30x113 with ATOM ammo in future for better space). If my guesses are correct, LEVENT's length is more than UMTAS-GM Block 1's so there could be an option to have UMTAS-GM Block 1's in place of 4 LEVENTs as a multirole capability.

Should we call this idea M-SHORAD Premium edition or something? Lol

 

[Terrain]

True Omtas does have shorter range but there is difficulty in placing Umtas in canisters because of it's unholdable wings, that takes more space and we have to wait for Umtas GM as it seems we have done a huge leap in propellant technology with that.

Ideally a multirole missile that could attack land and air that is sungur/cirit size would have been better. If only Aselsan could develop a seeker for that.

 

[Terrain]