TR Air Defence Programs

[YeşilVatan]

That's German IRIS-T SLM in the photo.

What do you expect from Hurriyetdailynews, competence?

 

[TheInsider]

There is great interest in Gürz from the TSK. Aselsan works on the clock to ready the system.

 

[Strong AI]

IMHO "future dome" would be a good name, because:

• A reference to "istikbal göklerdedir"
• All its systems will be updated continuously

 

[Zafer]

"Çelik Kubbe" is perfect.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1821283627080028520

Layer by layer, the part I like the most being ASELSAN actually considered C-UAS as a new layer like I imagined a few years back

 

[UkroTurk]

The best cool side is all layers from long range high altitude to very short range could be controlled and monitored from Headquarter of Türkish Armed Forces.

Unfortunately we currently just have radio communication between operators.

 

[Oublious]

they have learned a lot of from Ukraine war.

 

[Kaan Azman]

The head of GÜRZ's development openly said to me that they took Ukraine War as the basis for GÜRZ and GÖKDEMIR

 

[Saithan]

That could be due to all the loitering and missiles used by Russia, and it's easier to gather data and input especially considering our friendly stance with Ukraine I imagine they'd be willing to share with us.

And if more of Türkiyes defence products are being used we probably get plenty of feedback.

 

[boredaf]

That could be due to all the loitering and missiles used by Russia, and it's easier to gather data and input especially considering our friendly stance with Ukraine I imagine they'd be willing to share with us.

And if more of Türkiyes defence products are being used we probably get plenty of feedback.

Not just Russia, I bet. We've all seen both sides lose armoured vehicles and tanks to missiles and drones (whether kamikaze drones or munition/mine dropping ones) whenever they step out of their aa umbrella, so to speak. I think the lesson we (and many other countries) have learned is the usual solutions we have is not good enough and armoured assets need better protection, hence our interest in Gürz.

 

[zio]

If we have anti balistic capability,it would close the hole of the our steel dome system. There are some missing parts like airborne awacs of our own.However any country with air defence systems with different origins could not start to make up from beginning to have their dome system that would be too costly.

 

[Boykaz]

Gökdemir air defence systems

This promotional video has not been shared before

 

[Yasar_TR]

Air defence systems are a must. We know that. But how good are they?

Israel boasts that their Iron dome is 85% efficient. Yet in reality this is lower. So much so that after the recent events, Israel refuses to give figures about the interception efficacy of their system.

Iron Dome | Cost, Missile, Success Rate, & Israel | Britannica

Iron Dome is a short-range mobile air defense system developed for Israel by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries, with additional support from Raytheon. First deployed in 2011, Iron Dome constitutes the innermost layer of the tiered Israeli air defense network.

www.britannica.com

Israel Not Publishing Iron Dome Performance Data

Unlike in previous Gaza wars, Israel is not publishing the numbers of Palestinian rockets it shoots down during Operation Swords of Iron as it eyes a possible flare-up on the northern...

www.fdd.org

We don’t have to talk about the Russian S300 and S400 systems. They have shown themselves to be easy targets in Ukraine.
US has multi layer systems like Patriots. Thaad and SM series missile systems that perform quite well. Yet can still be victims to missiles. Also these are not really a “Swiss Knife” type of defensive weapons that can be applied to all.

It is a fact that AD systems are not cheap. Their missiles are costly. You may have to use a couple of million dollar missile to ntercept a cheap UAV or cheap short range missile.

So it is a fact that even the best of the best is not a foolproof answer to protect your country’s skies.

Air defence systems are there to decrease the amount of damage you may incur in the event of aerial bombing. Best defence is a good offence. A good offence that can take out your opponents AD systems and aerial assets, will be the best deterrent there is. They have to know that they will lose hell of a great deal more if they try to confront you.
For that we need to develop hypersonic weapons which will have hypersonic speeds at the terminal phase as they hit their targets.
Due to termİnal velocity law a ballistic missile’s terminal speed is limited by it’s weight and it’s aerodynamic design/drag coefficient.
An ICBM that weighs close to a 100ton can hit the target at speeds in excess of 8mach. Yet a ballistic missile like trg300 or Bora may only manage 1-2 mach at best.
Yet there are guided hypersonic artillery rounds that can be fired from howitzers. These have special design features that allow the projectile to have very low drag due to aerodynamic design. BAE Systems have tested these using 127mm naval guns. These rounds can have ranges close to 110 km. Where as an ESSM may cost 2 million dollars and a RAM 1 million, these rounds will be around 75-100K.
Because of the kinetic energy they carry they may not even need to carry explosives to cause destructive damage at the target.

BAE Systems Develops XM1155-SC Artillery Ammunition Able to Double Fir

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[Angry Turk !!!]

Best defence is a good offence

True and we need to improve in that aspect a lot. We need more destructive weapons. Go big or go home kind of stuff.

 

[Kartal1]

Air defence systems are a must. We know that. But how good are they?

Israel boasts that their Iron dome is 85% efficient. Yet in reality this is lower. So much so that after the recent events, Israel refuses to give figures about the interception efficacy of their system.

Iron Dome | Cost, Missile, Success Rate, & Israel | Britannica

Iron Dome is a short-range mobile air defense system developed for Israel by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries, with additional support from Raytheon. First deployed in 2011, Iron Dome constitutes the innermost layer of the tiered Israeli air defense network.

www.britannica.com

Israel Not Publishing Iron Dome Performance Data

Unlike in previous Gaza wars, Israel is not publishing the numbers of Palestinian rockets it shoots down during Operation Swords of Iron as it eyes a possible flare-up on the northern...

www.fdd.org

We don’t have to talk about the Russian S300 and S400 systems. They have shown themselves to be easy targets in Ukraine.
US has multi layer systems like Patriots. Thaad and SM series missile systems that perform quite well. Yet van still be victims to missiles. Also these are not really a “Swiss Knife” type of defensive weapons that can be applied to all.

It is a fact that AD systems are not cheap. Their missiles are costly. You may have to use a couple of million dollar missile to ntercept a cheap UAV or cheap short range missile.

So it is a fact that even the best of the best is not a foolproof answer to protect your country’s skies.

Air defence systems are there to decrease the amount of damage you may incur in the event of aerial bombing. Best defence is a good offence. A good offence that can take out your opponents AD systems and aerial assets, will be the best deterrent there is. They have to know that they will lose hell of a great deal more if they try to confront you.
For that we need to develop hypersonic weapons which will have hypersonic speeds at the terminal phase as they hit their targets.
Due to termİnal velocity law a ballistic missile’s terminal speed is limited by it’s weight and it’s aerodynamic design/drag coefficient.
An ICBM that weighs close to a 100ton can hit the target at speeds in excess of 8mach. Yet a ballistic missile like trg300 or Bora may only manage 1-2 mach at best.
Yet there are guided hypersonic artillery rounds that can be fired from howitzers. These have special design features that allow the projectile to have very low drag due to aerodynamic design. BAE Systems have tested these using 127mm naval guns. These rounds can have ranges close to 110 km. Where as an ESSM may cost 2 million dollars and a RAM 1 million, these rounds will be around 75-100K.
Because of the kinetic energy they carry they may not even need to carry explosives to cause destructive damage at the target.

BAE Systems Develops XM1155-SC Artillery Ammunition Able to Double Fir

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Very good assessment in my opinion.

I remember talking about this a couple years ago with @Anmdt and @Cabatli_TR

 

[Kaan Azman]

HVP's main design features that contribute to maintaining high speeds are

1-Sharp-angled cone: You would like to have a shockwave with angle close to your form angle, higher speeds result in sharper shock angles and they likely designed the front in accordance with the speeds it will experience.
2-Low friction materials: Other than form drag, friction of air contributes to a slow-down as much as the simple drag. You would like to have a very smooth surface to negate this, this is why you see some missiles with very well polished tips.
It is meant to be a cost-effective alternative but you still need highly resistant (Both to heat and stress) materials and find ways to process them efficiently.

 

[boredaf]

Air defence systems are a must. We know that. But how good are they?

Israel boasts that their Iron dome is 85% efficient. Yet in reality this is lower. So much so that after the recent events, Israel refuses to give figures about the interception efficacy of their system.

Iron Dome | Cost, Missile, Success Rate, & Israel | Britannica

Iron Dome is a short-range mobile air defense system developed for Israel by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries, with additional support from Raytheon. First deployed in 2011, Iron Dome constitutes the innermost layer of the tiered Israeli air defense network.

www.britannica.com

Israel Not Publishing Iron Dome Performance Data

Unlike in previous Gaza wars, Israel is not publishing the numbers of Palestinian rockets it shoots down during Operation Swords of Iron as it eyes a possible flare-up on the northern...

www.fdd.org

We don’t have to talk about the Russian S300 and S400 systems. They have shown themselves to be easy targets in Ukraine.
US has multi layer systems like Patriots. Thaad and SM series missile systems that perform quite well. Yet van still be victims to missiles. Also these are not really a “Swiss Knife” type of defensive weapons that can be applied to all.

It is a fact that AD systems are not cheap. Their missiles are costly. You may have to use a couple of million dollar missile to ntercept a cheap UAV or cheap short range missile.

So it is a fact that even the best of the best is not a foolproof answer to protect your country’s skies.

Air defence systems are there to decrease the amount of damage you may incur in the event of aerial bombing. Best defence is a good offence. A good offence that can take out your opponents AD systems and aerial assets, will be the best deterrent there is. They have to know that they will lose hell of a great deal more if they try to confront you.
For that we need to develop hypersonic weapons which will have hypersonic speeds at the terminal phase as they hit their targets.
Due to termİnal velocity law a ballistic missile’s terminal speed is limited by it’s weight and it’s aerodynamic design/drag coefficient.
An ICBM that weighs close to a 100ton can hit the target at speeds in excess of 8mach. Yet a ballistic missile like trg300 or Bora may only manage 1-2 mach at best.
Yet there are guided hypersonic artillery rounds that can be fired from howitzers. These have special design features that allow the projectile to have very low drag due to aerodynamic design. BAE Systems have tested these using 127mm naval guns. These rounds can have ranges close to 110 km. Where as an ESSM may cost 2 million dollars and a RAM 1 million, these rounds will be around 75-100K.
Because of the kinetic energy they carry they may not even need to carry explosives to cause destructive damage at the target.

BAE Systems Develops XM1155-SC Artillery Ammunition Able to Double Fir

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US military cancelled the ERCA programme this munition was going to be used with this year, after a test shot or two. Not sure what happened to the ERPA since then.

 

[Strong AI]

US military cancelled the ERCA programme this munition was going to be used with this year, after a test shot or two. Not sure what happened to the ERPA since then.

Excessive wear and tear on the cannon was one of the reasons.

 

[zio]

What happened to meteksan seymen GPS jamming project?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Army wants to develop hypervelocity artillery shells for air defense against manned and unmanned aircraft

HVP prototypes should fire from rifled and smooth-bore 155-millimeter cannons, and interface with off-board sensors to intercept the incoming threat.

www.militaryaerospace.com

US Army has pressed the button to use 155mm Hyper Velocity Projectile howitzer rounds for airdefence purposes. They are confident by 2027 they can start testing 8-9 Mach projectiles with a prototype ready for 2028.

Quote:
The HVP for air defense applications seeks to reduce munition costs and enhance the value of wheeled 155-millimeter artillery systems firing HVPs. The HVP prototypes will communicate with off-board sensors that track the HVP and the threat to be intercepted. BAE Systems has developed a hypervelocity projectile for potential naval use.
The HVP prototypes should fire from rifled and smooth-bore 155-millimeter cannons; interface with Army-provided off-board sensors to intercept the incoming threat; interface with a data transmission device to receive pre-launch mission data; maintain projectile maneuverability through interception; keep flight time to a minimum; be powerful enough to shoot down fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters; UAVs; and cruise missiles. Army officials also are interested in rapid ammunition resupply, as well as supportability, safety, and cyber security.
Unquote.

We shouldn’t lose much time and start experimenting on this technology. As with UAV case, we should be in the forefront of the development process .