TR Air Defence Programs

[Heartbang]

How?

wouldnt it be better to use em when they are needed? instead of doing active patrol duty in the west?

 

[Zafer]

wouldnt it be better to use em when they are needed? instead of doing active patrol duty in the west?

If you will be able to deploy plenty of them then their locations will not matter all that much. But when you only have a few of them you don't want their locations to be known.

 

[Ecderha]

Its from twitter so take it with a big pinch of salt:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1547670748197556225

I do not understand Why?

In russia it is Normal to make propaganda that platform is Best in world.
It is also TRUE that circles around putin and other agency KNOW that russian military platforms Are like old relic against WEST...............

russian military platforms are build for Dictators .......world do not care about russian relics when they are supplied to Terrorist, Dictators or Mafia like organizations

 

[Fuzuli NL]

And we're stuck with that shit.

 

[GoatsMilk]

And we're stuck with that shit.

Its kind of hilarious that the nation who first exposed Russian air defences as not being very good, is the same nation that got herself kicked off the F35 for the S400. Mashallah erdogan, you are very wise.

 

[Deliorman]

Its kind of hilarious that the nation who first exposed Russian air defences as not being very good, is the same nation that got herself kicked off the F35 for the S400. Mashallah erdogan, you are very wise.

Russian AD systems and weaponry are trash and the F-35 is a weapon I would choose over the S400 all day every day... Yet Turkey would have gotten kicked out of the F-35 program no matter what. If it wasn't the S-400 it would have been kicked out for something else- Syria, East Med, Karabakh, Armenian Genocide, Genocide on Kurds, Rule of law, Dictatorship, bees dying off due to climate change and pollution... and whatever other stupid reason you can think of. The S-400 purchase was just the silly excuse Americans waited for. Unfortunately Turkey is being run by Imbeciles so it is easy for Americans to do whatever they want while Turks end up with a finger up their ass.

AKP's fault is that they gave this card into the hands of our enemies with their stupid decision which also brought Turkey losses worth TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. We not only paid Russia 2,5 billion USD for a trash system but also lost over a billion dollars for the jets we already paid for but never received. We can include the 10 billion USD of lost revenues we would have gotten out of building parts for the Program plus the tens of billions we lost due to getting sanctioned and Turkish currency losing value which brought more economic problems to the country.

 

[Manomed]

Russian AD systems and weaponry are trash and the F-35 is a weapon I would choose over the S400 all day every day... Yet Turkey would have gotten kicked out of the F-35 program no matter what. If it wasn't the S-400 it would have been kicked out for something else- Syria, East Med, Karabakh, Armenian Genocide, Genocide on Kurds, Rule of law, Dictatorship, bees dying off due to climate change and pollution... and whatever other stupid reason you can think of. The S-400 purchase was just the silly excuse Americans waited for. Unfortunately Turkey is being run by Imbeciles so it is easy for Americans to do whatever they want while Turks end up with a finger up their ass.

AKP's fault is that they gave this card into the hands of our enemies with their stupid decision which also brought Turkey losses worth TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. We not only paid Russia 2,5 billion USD for a trash system but also lost over a billion dollars for the jets we already paid for but never received. We can include the 10 billion USD of lost revenues we would have gotten out of building parts for the Program plus the tens of billions we lost due to getting sanctioned and Turkish currency losing value which brought more economic problems to the country.

Its funny how EU and West is still funding islamists like erdogan in Turkey while talking trash about us.

Hypocrisy and hatret against Turks is real amongs the EU.

The same EU also sells weapons to real dictatorships like Egypt thats the funny part.

 

[Brokengineer]

Its funny how EU and West is still funding islamists like erdogan in Turkey while talking trash about us.

Hypocrisy and hatret against Turks is real amongs the EU.

The same EU also sells weapons to real dictatorships like Egypt thats the funny part.

It is all about interests, when Greeks pushing Germans to sanction Turkey more, they say they are already making their best however, there is a limit.
Today, lets say, if Turkey-us trade volume is around 50billion usd, things would have been different.
Economical presence is as much important as political one.

 

[Stuka]

It didn't. I Think its being blown out of proportion, even if how long would delivery take ? or how long till Full Operational Capability ?

September 2013:
Singapore’s Defense Minister announced Singapore’s acquisition of a Eurosam SAMP/T equipped with Aster 30 interceptors
Q4 2017:
They apparently received the initial Batch.

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But Turkish Officials keep insisting on the Eurosam. President, Foreign Minister and MoD.

25.09.2020

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is trying to purchase European-made air defence missiles and approached his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron to drop his opposition to Turkey’s co-production of Eurosam's SAMP/T systems, officials told Bloomberg on Friday.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

09.07.2021

"Çavuşoğlu said that they also discussed this issue with his French counterpart. Referring to the preliminary agreement with the Eurosam company in the past, Çavuşoğlu said, "As Turkey, we signed a letter of intent with Eurosam on the purchase and joint production in the past. We can revive this as well. It does not have to be Patriot. We can get it." used the phrases."

Bakan Çavuşoğlu: ABD birçok alanda iş birliği yapmak istiyor

Dışişleri Bakanı Çavuşoğlu, "ABD'nin birçok alanda bizimle işbirliği yapma arzusunda olduğunu görüyoruz" dedi.

www.trthaber.com

18.05.2019

While visiting the newly built F-35 facilities at Malatya Erhaç 7th Main Jet Base, Honorable Minister of National Defense Akar said that Turkey is interested in EUROSAM SAMP-T, that is, Aster air and missile defense system, in the program he attended yesterday, and will soon be talking about purchasing or co-production.

Türkiye’nin EUROSAM SAMP-T programı | SavunmaSanayiST

Sayın Milli Savunma Bakanı Akar, Malatya Erhaç 7.Ana Jet Üssü’nde yeni yapılan F-35 tesislerini geze

www.savunmasanayist.com

22.10.2020

Turkey’s Minister of Defense Hulusi Akar today hinted at a possible purchase of air defense systems (ADS) from France and Italy.

Defense World

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> If they really want this Air Defence System, why wasn't Eurosam just chosen after Chinese Deal fell through in 2015 ?

9 Months Later. The Turkish Side is still pushing aggressively for the SAMP-T Joint Production.

"President Erdoğan talked to French President Macron over the phone."
"Erdoğan stated that their expectations regarding SAMP-T are to develop a joint system that includes maximum cooperation in accordance with the principle of “full openness” and to ensure the launch of the procurement project."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1548375241444847620

 

[Ecderha]

9 Months Later. The Turkish Side is still pushing aggressively for the SAMP-T Joint Production.

"President Erdoğan talked to French President Macron over the phone."
"Erdoğan stated that their expectations regarding SAMP-T are to develop a joint system that includes maximum cooperation in accordance with the principle of “full openness” and to ensure the launch of the procurement project."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1548375241444847620

"joint system that includes maximum cooperation in accordance with the principle of “full openness”"!!
I hardly believe that this can be provided by France to Turkiye..........

Example
Germany is partner of 6th gen fighter program with France. France do NOT allow access even full openness to many systems in project
Therefor as SAMP-T is France own project I do not see how Turkiye will given "full openness" ?!?

 

[I_Love_F16]

"joint system that includes maximum cooperation in accordance with the principle of “full openness”"!!
I hardly believe that this can be provided by France to Turkiye..........

Example
Germany is partner of 6th gen fighter program with France. France do NOT allow access even full openness to many systems in project
Therefor as SAMP-T is France own project I do not see how Turkiye will given "full openness" ?!?

Because Erdogan want’s ToT. He wanted the same thing for the Patriots but the US refused to give him.

 

[Cenkcnk]

lol
Can't nobody in RTE's house guess that FR never ever allow such a tech transfer or access?

 

[GoatsMilk]

lol
Can't nobody in RTE's house guess that FR never ever allow such a tech transfer or access?

I remember before the s400 they actually wanted the Chinese deal, it was the cheapest and the Chinese offered full tech transfer. The Americans threatened Turkey that they would blacklist any Turkish company that cooperates with the chinese company. Then all of the sudden AK party said there were issues with the chinese deal and were no longer pursuing it.

 

[Zafer]

lol
Can't nobody in RTE's house guess that FR never ever allow such a tech transfer or access?

Having contacted with Macron a couple of dozens times Erdoğan should know what can be possible with France with all of the implications of their decisions. Such a deal is never to be seen as a one time interaction.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1548593679664807941

The #ŞAHİN 40 mm Physical Destruction System, developed for the destruction of Mini/Micro UAVs, entered the inventory for the first time.

 

[Ştutgart]

We continue to spread trust in friends and fear in enemies

 

[Ecderha]

We continue to spread trust in friends and fear in enemies

trust in friends?
Could you please write it down Who are they ?
At least which are friends for you?

 

[Agha Sher]

Kaboom!

First batch already delivered.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1551129935317704705

 

[Huelague]

Kaboom!

First batch already delivered.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1551129935317704705

Waiting this vid since heard of porsav.

 

[Fuzuli NL]