TR Air Defence Programs

[TheInsider]

“Altay tank has a version of this TAKS as well.”

TAKS means Top Atış Kontrol Sistemi/Tank Atış Kontrol Sistemi
(In English, Gun or Tank Fire Control System)

What is wrong with that first statement?

A version of TAKS was started to be developed by Aselsan for 76mm naval gun in 2006 after Volkan 1 was successfully qualified for Leopard1 in 2006. Also a much improved version of this TAKS was introduced in 2022 for the 127mm naval gun.

TAKS was first started in 2002 for Leopard1; then qualified on tanks in 2006 (and the last tank was delivered in 2010). Then it was improved as Volkan 2 for Altay and Leopard 2 tanks when it was supposed to be qualified in to tanks in 2022. Also in 2022 a version of this FCS called VolkanM was introduced specifically developed for the M60TM tanks.

Just by reading that first sentence , in your head, you have decided it is “wrong” with no real substance. Interesting!!

Aselsan 76 mm TAKS

Aselsan 76 mm Milli Deniz Top Atış Kontrol Sistemi TAKS

www.millisavunma.com

The last Leopard-1 Tank modernized by ASELSAN

The Pr

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Barbaros’ 127 MM Firings Confirmed

Turkish Navy’s The Barbaros Class Frigate Half-Life Modernization Project continues with gun test fires. According to ASELSAN’s A Bulletin magazine, the Gun Fire Control System, developed within the project’s scope, was tested on the TCG BARBAROS Frigate.

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M60TM (VOLKAN-M) - More Precise Than Ever

M60TM (VOLKAN-M) Historical Background M60TM Main Battle Tank is further modernization of M60T which itself is extensive modernization of M60A1/A3. In 2017, The Fırat Modernization Project was initiated with the experiences gained from Operation Euphrates Shield (Fırat Kalkanı Harekatı) to increa...

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Türkiye presents Volkan-II tank fire control system for Altay tank - PHOTO

The qualification activities of the Volkan-II tank fire control system, developed by ASELSAN for the Altay main battle tank, will be completed by the end of 2022....

caliber.az

Volkan is the first developed FCS. Land FCS and naval FCS differ because of how things move on the sea. Volkan is a direct predecessor of Altay FCS while TAKS is a cousin.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Volkan is the first developed FCS. Land FCS and naval FCS differ because of how things move on the sea. Volkan is a direct predecessor of Altay FCS while TAKS is a cousin.

Well! You have just told us a summary of exactly what I have already written in my post. You needn’t have bothered. But you have still not answered my question about what is wrong with the statement I made.
I guess it is not in your vocabulary to say “misunderstood” or “sorry”.

 

[Anmdt]

“Altay tank has a version of this TAKS as well.”

TAKS means Top Atış Kontrol Sistemi/Tank Atış Kontrol Sistemi
(In English, Gun or Tank Fire Control System)

What is wrong with that first statement?

A version of TAKS was started to be developed by Aselsan for 76mm naval gun in 2006 after Volkan 1 was successfully qualified for Leopard1 in 2006. Also a much improved version of this TAKS was introduced in 2022 for the 127mm naval gun.

TAKS was first started in 2002 for Leopard1; then qualified on tanks in 2006 (and the last tank was delivered in 2010). Then it was improved as Volkan 2 for Altay and Leopard 2 tanks when it was supposed to be qualified in to tanks in 2022. Also in 2022 a version of this FCS called VolkanM was introduced specifically developed for the M60TM tanks.

Just by reading that first sentence , in your head, you have decided it is “wrong” with no real substance. Interesting!!

Aselsan 76 mm TAKS

Aselsan 76 mm Milli Deniz Top Atış Kontrol Sistemi TAKS

www.millisavunma.com

The last Leopard-1 Tank modernized by ASELSAN

The Pr

www.defenceturkey.com

Barbaros’ 127 MM Firings Confirmed

Turkish Navy’s The Barbaros Class Frigate Half-Life Modernization Project continues with gun test fires. According to ASELSAN’s A Bulletin magazine, the Gun Fire Control System, developed within the project’s scope, was tested on the TCG BARBAROS Frigate.

www.turdef.com

M60TM (VOLKAN-M) - More Precise Than Ever

M60TM (VOLKAN-M) Historical Background M60TM Main Battle Tank is further modernization of M60T which itself is extensive modernization of M60A1/A3. In 2017, The Fırat Modernization Project was initiated with the experiences gained from Operation Euphrates Shield (Fırat Kalkanı Harekatı) to increa...

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Türkiye presents Volkan-II tank fire control system for Altay tank - PHOTO

The qualification activities of the Volkan-II tank fire control system, developed by ASELSAN for the Altay main battle tank, will be completed by the end of 2022....

caliber.az

You are right, actually both FCS relies on the same mathematical model of ballistic course prediction that was developed by Aselsan in coordination with an university years ago. Naval and Land FCS has additional-different parameters for calibration and due to the nature of naval FCS there is a calibration mechanism to update parameters with a feed back from FCR or main 3D radar. Aselsan later worked with Armerkom to adapt this mathematical model for naval cannons (with system identification trials conducted at sea, as salinity or humidity has certain effects in the course and these trials are necessary for any region for cannon to operate). Target motion and cannon stabilization are the excluded matters.

 

[manifesto]

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/SIPER_ENG.pdf

Siper Air Defence System's datasheet.

 

[Afif]

It seems they are talking about SIPER block ii (interceptor developed by tubitak)

1. System max. interception range :150km
2. System interception Altitude :30km


Weirdly enough, there is no mention of TBMs in its target list. Yet it can intercept up to 30km. (Usually, no air breathing targets goes that high. So it definitely has some capability against TBMs.)


ÇAFRAD'S UMR can track up to 2000 targets. And ERIS is its land version. So I would assume, as the long range surveillance radar of the SIPER system, it also has the same capability.

However, number of tracks for multi-functional fire control radar (ÇFAKR) in each battery is surprisingly low, only 100.

For example, SAMP/T NG's multi-function radar GF300 or KRONOS GRAND can track up to 1000 targets or more.
(They can also be integrated with GM403 in SIPER like Set-up)

Last but not the least, fire control system of a SIPER battery can guide up to 20x interceptors against 10x target. Which means 2x interceptors assigned to each individual target in normal operational procedure.

 

[Zafer]

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It seems they are talking about SIPER block ii (interceptor developed by tubitak)

1. System max. interception range :150km
2. System interception Altitude :30km


Weirdly enough, there is no mention of TBMs in its target list. Yet it can intercept up to 30km. (Usually, no air breathing targets goes that high. So it definitely has some capability against TBMs.)


ÇAFRAD'S UMR can track up to 2000 targets. And ERIS is its land version. I assume, as the long range surveillance radar of the SIPER system, it has the same capability.

However, number of tracks for multi-functional fire control radar (ÇFAKR) in each battery is surprisingly low, only 100.

For example, SAMP/T NG's multi-function radar GF300 or KRONOS GRAND cam track up to 1000 targets or more.
(They can also be integrated with GM403 in SIPER like Set-up)

It can guide up to 20x interceptors against 10x target. Which means 2x interceptors assigned to each individual target in normal operational procedure.

I wonder if any more than 100 targets ever populated a battle theater or ever will.

 

[Ravager]

I wonder if any more than 100 targets ever populated a battle theater or ever will.

Iran swarming rockets enter the chat ....

 

[Era_shield]

However, number of tracks for multi-functional fire control radar (ÇFAKR) in each battery is surprisingly low, only 100.

For example, SAMP/T NG's multi-function radar GF300 or KRONOS GRAND can track up to 1000 targets or more.

The maximum target tracking capability of an AESA radar depends on the dwell time, and the distance and RCS of the targets (among other things). Comparing two numbers like that is meaningless unless they're compared on the same basis.

 

[Afif]

The maximum target tracking capability of an AESA radar depends on the dwell time, and the distance and RCS of the targets (among other things). Comparing two numbers like that is meaningless unless they're compared on the same basis.

Well, even if those factors varies in different scenarios there still would be a Max. Tracking capability in numbers. (Which cannot be exceeded given any varying factor)

 

[TheInsider]

You can compare those radars to EIRS, not an X-band fire control radar.

 

[Afif]

You can compare those radars to EIRS, not an X-band fire control radar.

ÇFAKR X band?

 

[TheInsider]

ÇFAKR X band?

Yes.

 

[Zafer]

Iran swarming rockets enter the chat ....

Which one of the Iranian missililes will fly over a hundred at a time that Siper with 150 km range should be able to counter?

 

[Ravager]

Never say never bruh ... Never !!! Remember , you were surrounded from all side ....
Even from your so called ... Allies .

 

[Zafer]

Never say never bruh ... Never !!! Remember , you were surrounded from all side ....
Even from your so called ... Allies .

I believe our engineers and odfficials know what we need. We do have other systems to complement and we can deploy multiple systems too. Also some of the threats you counter at their source. We can do what it takes to dominate our airspace, I am confident.

 

[Ravager]

Well , if you were that confident . kudos to you then .

I believe our engineers and odfficials know what we need. We do have other systems to complement and we can deploy multiple systems too. Also some of the threats you counter at their source. We can do what it takes to dominate our airspace, I am confident.

 

[Zafer]

Well , if you were that confident . kudos to you then .

It is more like kudos to our radar developer Aselsan as they have several dozen projects going on simultaneously.

 

[Bürküt]

Which one of the Iranian missililes will fly over a hundred at a time that Siper with 150 km range should be able to counter?

We are talking about a country which it's Air Force consists of ballistic and cruise missiles.

 

[Ecderha]

We are talking about a country which it's Air Force consists of ballistic and cruise missiles.

you forget "brrrrrrr vrrrrr drrrrrrr" Shahed drones. They have 10000. At lease according to "Mula"
Trust me bro

 

[Oublious]

Iran swarming rockets enter the chat ....

lol

Nobdoy is going to use SIPER missiles against cheap shit drones, only dumb people will use it. We will use SPAAG systems like Korkut, or other airburst rounds.

For stationairy defence.