TR Air Defence Programs

[Radko]

Let's not forget this solution.
As i understand, it also works against fiber optic controlled drones.
Am i wrong?

Yes

 

[uçuyorum]

"Electromagnetic energy produced by High Power Microwave sources is used to prevent the targeted electronic devices from working, to cause them to malfunction, or to damage them and render them inoperable."

Now you need to elaborate.
Why can this not work against fiber optic controlled drones?

Those signals cant penetrate those cables

 

[uçuyorum]

This system is a high-power microwave (HPM). It causes instantaneous failure of the electronic components.
How does the cable help in this situation?

Well signal receivers can be fried when they are exposed. But if there is no receiver you can shield the components because signal is carried in the cable

 

[Radko]

"Electromagnetic energy produced by High Power Microwave sources is used to prevent the targeted electronic devices from working, to cause them to malfunction, or to damage them and render them inoperable."

Now you need to elaborate.
Why can this not work against fiber optic controlled drones?

Ah, I didn't say you are wrong. I meant to say that it would work against FO guided drones too

 

[FaTiHan]

and yes Strong AI, I really want to see a 7.62 mm gatling SARP-L shredding some drones like a micro Phalanx CIWS.

kaan azman bey
akkor altay tank is effective in the last 50 meters.
the 7.62 minigun to be used in the sarp L gun turret is also effective against drones and anti-tank missiles from the last 50+ to 200 meters.
military vehicles and following infantry will have very close layered air defense.

 

[somegoodusername]

People are forgetting that FPVs are really fast, very agile, and don’t have to move in predictable patterns when approaching a target. I think a computer-operated, fast-firing shotgun RCWS will be necessary to be implemented on top of high-value vehicles to counter FPVs. Shooting an FPV with a 7.62mm bullet is much harder than hitting it with a shotgun shell. Something like SARP but more specialized optics and sensors for aerial targets, an acoustic sensor too. FPV's won't be limited by human operators 10 years from now, computerization is the only way.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Did you two consider ammo count and how many ammo you can carry in the vehicle?

I am sure more than what Phalanx carries in total.

I recall some vehicles carrying ammo in thousands range for machine guns. If we use SARP ZAFER which allows for reload from inside I think there are interesting possibilities.

 

[boredaf]

And now let's think further. In the 40mm ATOM video, they shoot like 5 to 6 rounds, although the drones fly only straight forward.
How many rounds would you need with a minigun to get the same probability of kill?

You can't compare apples to oranges to claim apples are better. Those 5 or 6 grenades are 20% of all grenades in that launcher, although I can't remember MKE version of MK19 has 32 or more grenades. Given the same circumstances, I would happily bet that a 12.7 or 7.62 gatling would shoot that drone down before using same percentage of its ammo, especially if the targeting is being carried out by an algorithm.

FPV drones are fast and manoeuvrable but not to the point of being impervious to bullets. There are multitudes of videos from both sides of war in Ukraine of people shooting them down, both with shotguns and rifles. We would have an advantage over those soldiers though: I would like to think that an auto targeting software would be much more accurate than a soldier trying to shoot one down in panic.

As an example, Stamp-G with 12.7 mm Gatling could carry 500 rounds, give something like a M134 7.62 Gatling and it would carry much more ammo. If we can't create a cloud of shrapnel, we need to keep firing until we hit it.

Nevertheless, I'm still convinced that best case scenario for us is to develop a Mete variant that we can use as point defence in land platforms. It doesn't have to have pinpoint accuracy at 1 km, it just has to be able to detonate at proximity or at a programmed time.

 

[UkroTurk]

Mete has 1m CEP.Unfortunately the long shape and weight of the Missile is vulnerable from side winds . Keeping the missile on the moving targets hard. Moreover Mete has minimum range 360 meter.

So using several 40mm grenade ammunition is more effective while you can not control and set timefuse after launch.

 

[FaTiHan]

friends
Compare the price of 7.62 mm bullets with the price of 40 mm atomic ammunition and mete missiles.
The micro phalanx CIWS working range is 50+ meters to 200 meters.
The probability of hitting the target is very high, we can say 100% from this distance.
The KORKUT system will hit flying targets at distances of 1 km and 4 km.

 

[FaTiHan]

friends
My purpose, my purpose of writing is not to discuss the system.
AKKOR ammunition is more expensive than 7.62 mm bullets.
We can easily hit drones and anti-tank missiles with SARP L from 200 meters away with 50+ HSS as a vehicle very close by by using the ammunitions that are produced and stockpiled and used by the infantry.

In terms of cost, military vehicles can destroy all targets that enter the last 200 meters of the moving DRONS and ANTI-TANK MISSILES targeting themselves, without firing AKKOR, at a low cost...

 

[Kaan Azman]

Mete has 1m CEP.Unfortunately the long shape and weight of the Missile is vulnerable from side winds . Keeping the missile on the moving targets hard. Moreover Mete has minimum range 360 meter.
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So using several 40mm grenade ammunition is more effective while you can not control and set timefuse after launch.

But LOBL with an IR seeker can change things I think. I just think that we should elongate the missile for longer rocket motor and develop a 40 mm diameter IR seeker (not imaging). Another possibility is developing a semi active radar guided version for C-UAS.

 

[UkroTurk]

But LOBL with an IR seeker can change things I think. I just think that we should elongate the missile for longer rocket motor and develop a 40 mm diameter IR seeker (not imaging). Another possibility is developing a semi active radar guided version for C-UAS.

I gotch u,you mean mini Stinger but ATOM 40mm hunts cheap quadrocopters which are massively in the battlefield. Although ATOM40 is really very smart and unique solution , system is not compact.

There is just one rival of ATOM40 :
XM25 CDTE

XM25 CDTE - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[No Name]

I gotch u,you mean mini Stinger but ATOM 40mm hunts cheap quadrocopters which are massively in the battlefield. Although ATOM40 is really very smart and unique solution , system is not compact.

There is just one rival of ATOM40 :
XM25 CDTE
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XM25 CDTE - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Wasn't the XM-25 decommissioned due to it being a war crime to use?

 

[boredaf]

Wasn't the XM-25 decommissioned due to it being a war crime to use?

That's a myth (a stupid one at that), it is not a "war crime" to use a grenade launcher, 40 mm grenades can also burst in air. It was cancelled because it was heavy and unreliable, nothing more.

 

[UkroTurk]

XM 25 hits directly because has more velocity. 40mm very slow .

There is no 40mm smart rifle.
XM 25 is unique.

 

[boredaf]

XM 25 hits directly because has more velocity. 40mm very slow .

There is no 40mm smart rifle.
XM 25 is unique.

And useless. It was too heavy and required a soldier to forgo their basic rifle and only had like 40 bullets which is nothing if you have to fight in close range. There is a reason it was cancelled after millions of dollars were wasted.

Edit: Also, I just checked and ATOM has higher muzzle velocity than XM25.

 

[UkroTurk]

Hey Dear Authorities show us please surface to air missiles, VLS etc. For instance i would love to see SIPER B2, Hisar-N. The topic looks boring.

Why they haven't loaded Göksur on some ships?

Where is the naval variant of GÜRZ? Will we see naval Gürz?

 

[Kartal1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833576545203679452

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833576545203679452

So like small satellites that can be detatched and used at certain distances from the truck. Reminds me of pickup truck mounted AA guns , but more durable ? And less mobile...