TR Air Defence Programs

[UkroTurk]

Interview with MKE about TOLGA layered drone defence system. Here is the interesting part. When he talks about the rotary canon, at like 3:07 min he tells that it creates a cloud consisting of particles. Can MKE produce 12.7 mm airburst rounds?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948328418077982997

Even 20mm doesn't have airburst rounds. Just HE! In 1000 meters , slow flying drones are easy target for 20mm cal.

 

[Strong AI]

Even 20mm doesn't have airburst rounds. Just HE! In 1000 meters , slow flying drones are easy target for 20mm cal.

But how does it achieve a cloud of particles then (12.7 rotary canon)?

 

[UkroTurk]

But how does it achieve a cloud of particles then (12.7 rotary canon)?

As I understood, this was said for 35mm.

 

[Strong AI]

As I understood, this was said for 35mm.

Bro no, he talks about 35 mm at the start only. At the end he goes to 12.7 mm (before the question about 40 mm)
EDIT
He says like: This has three barrels, it produces a cloud in the air, there are particles in that cloud.

 

[GoatsMilk]

There was no ToT biggest lie ever told by these accounts. The Russians were vehemently against sharing anything with us.

If I see anyone else praise that trash system I’m gonna lose it.

Trying to diminish the efforts and work of Turkish engineers to praise a system that can’t even pick up a fucking paraglider. FOH

TB2 alone destroyed the reputation of Russian air defence systems. Then obviously the Ukrainian fiasco further dragged the Russian reputation into the gutter.

 

[UkroTurk]

Stated AESA plates in everywhere again))) finally

IDEF 2025: Aselsan’s KORKUT 130/25 SB Targets Drone Swarms with Precision Mobile Firepower

IDEF 2025: Aselsan’s KORKUT 130/25 SB Targets Drone Swarms with Precision Mobile Firepower

armyrecognition.com

 

[boredaf]

Interview with MKE about TOLGA layered drone defence system. Here is the interesting part. When he talks about the rotary canon, at like 3:07 min he tells that it creates a cloud consisting of particles. Can MKE produce 12.7 mm airburst rounds?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948328418077982997

I don't think anyone on the planet makes 12.7 mm air burst rounds. HE-I is the closest thing, but only shrapnel in that would be from the bullets themselves.

In theory, if you made a bullet specifically for that, like something with a smart fuse that self detonated at a set range and made a bullet that is maybe perforated like the inside of a grenade so that it would shatter in a way that creates more shrapne it could work with its high rpm? Maybe?

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948473956316451189

They confirmed my assumption that GÜRZ 140 is the 8x8 AFV configuration too, UGV one is totally seperate

IDEF25: ASELSAN Displays KORKUT 140/35 with AESA Radars | TURDEF

ASELSAN unveiled the KORKUT 140/35 SPAAG with KALKAN 050-G AESA radars and KANGAL FPV jammers at its outdoor exhibition area during the IDEF25 exhibition.

www.turdef.com

Also, KORKUT 140/35 with AESA radars is using KALKAN 050-G. Not only that but it is also fitted with KANGAL FPV

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948473956316451189

They confirmed my assumption that GÜRZ 140 is the 8x8 AFV configuration too, UGV one is totally seperate

IDEF25: ASELSAN Displays KORKUT 140/35 with AESA Radars | TURDEF

ASELSAN unveiled the KORKUT 140/35 SPAAG with KALKAN 050-G AESA radars and KANGAL FPV jammers at its outdoor exhibition area during the IDEF25 exhibition.

www.turdef.com

Also, KORKUT 140/35 with AESA radars is using KALKAN 050-G. Not only that but it is also fitted with KANGAL FPV

I wonder what the price difference would be between this and proper Korkut or Gürz.

 

[sh. Abdj]

Can anyone tell us if the Turkish Air defence will be more successful than the Iranians in encountering similar scenario?!!! As the Iranians claim they already have all the systems Turkey is trying to develope reaching 300km ranges with more than mach 6 speed. And why Turkey is not investing heavily in AIWACS as they proved more effective in detection than ground radars especially in mountainous areas. Thank you.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Can anyone tell us if the Turkish Air defence will be more successful than the Iranians in encountering similar scenario?!!! As the Iranians claim they already have all the systems Turkey is trying to develope reaching 300km ranges with more than mach 6 speed. And why Turkey is not investing heavily in AIWACS as they proved more effective in detection than ground radars especially in mountainous areas. Thank you.

Raw missile and radar performance aside, Iran's air defence network is without a doubt less advanced than Türkiye's. Turkish air defence systems were built from the ground up to leverage a huge network of advanced radars (ALP series) that are optimized for varied scenarios and threats. Even emerging threats from quadrocopters and loitering munitions are taken into consideration in the Steel Dome air defence network.

Now all that remains is filling the inventory up with all these new systems, and also introducing a domestically produced system in the same class as Bavar 373. Currently S-400 fills that gap.

Iran's air defences don't form an integrated network, no matter what they say.

With all this said, air defences are only one component of a powerful military. You can't just rely on air defences and ballistic missiles, you need to be able defend, strike back and CONTROL your enemies skies. This is where Iran falls flat.

 

[UkroTurk]

Does Iran have NATO Standards?

 

[Huelague]

As the Iranians claim they already have all the systems

Iranian claimed they already developed “Warp” propulsion and working currently on a “Deadstar”.

 

[Samba]

Türkiye has very strong land based aesa radar, early warning systems, one of its kind ew suite, satellite support, among others. These all constitute into a stronger air defense. Iran lacks many of those

 

[Pokemonte13]

There are differences between turkey and Iran. Their most capable system is s300, which is even with updates 20-30 years old and uses pesa, I believe, radar which is compared to aesa, annd easy to jam.
They have much more systems but ours are more modern. Secondly, I believe the problem with Iran's AD umbrella being wiped out in a matter of days, was personnel incompetence. One general was sleeping at home. Everyone knew the attack was imminent. But the radars were not operating. In short, Iran can have the best tech but its worthless when you’re personnel can’t operate it properly I mean look at Saudi military campaign in Yemen.

 

[Samba]

There are differences between turkey and Iran. Their most capable system is s300, which is even with updates 20-30 years old and uses pesa, I believe, radar which is compared to aesa, annd easy to jam.
They have much more systems but ours are more modern. Secondly, I believe the problem with Iran's AD umbrella being wiped out in a matter of days, was personnel incompetence. One general was sleeping at home. Everyone knew the attack was imminent. But the radars were not operating. In short, Iran can have the best tech but its worthless when you’re personnel can’t operate it properly I mean look at Saudi military campaign in Yemen.

Pakistani hit on Rafale was also a strong proof of this fact

 

[sh. Abdj]

Iranian claimed they already developed “Warp” propulsion and working currently on a “Deadstar”.

As for propulsion they proved they have some good technology. The hypersonic Rockets worked. But the Air defense was in very bad condition. They have the hardware to do big things but the detection and lock in was so bad. On paper they have S400 like local air defence but it failed missrebly in a real test. But again why Turkeye will be more successful?! Is it detection system much better? Is it locking systems better? Why Turkeye is not accelerating AIWACS programs and mass producing it as it have mountainous map and Airplanes can use that to make it so hard for ground radar to detect them.

 

[TR_123456]

As for propulsion they proved they have some good technology. The hypersonic Rockets worked. But the Air defense was in very bad condition. They have the hardware to do big things but the detection and lock in was so bad. On paper they have S400 like local air defence but it failed missrebly in a real test. But again why Turkeye will be more successful?! Is it detection system much better? Is it locking systems better? Why Turkeye is not accelerating AIWACS programs and mass producing it as it have mountainous map and Airplanes can use that to make it so hard for ground radar to detect them.

Türkiye produces weapon systems at NATO standart at least,that is why Türkiye is succesful.
You guys have this hype of Iranian military achievements when there are none.

 

[sh. Abdj]

Raw missile and radar performance aside, Iran's air defence network is without a doubt less advanced than Türkiye's. Turkish air defence systems were built from the ground up to leverage a huge network of advanced radars (ALP series) that are optimized for varied scenarios and threats. Even emerging threats from quadrocopters and loitering munitions are taken into consideration in the Steel Dome air defence network.

Now all that remains is filling the inventory up with all these new systems, and also introducing a domestically produced system in the same class as Bavar 373. Currently S-400 fills that gap.

Iran's air defences don't form an integrated network, no matter what they say.

With all this said, air defences are only one component of a powerful military. You can't just rely on air defences and ballistic missiles, you need to be able defend, strike back and CONTROL your enemies skies. This is where Iran falls flat.

Still all the Turkish systems are lacking number and experience to develope. Remember the Patriots early bad performance with ballistic missiles in Iraq War compared to the modern much successful performance. Sadly other than Baykar no other company is working on fast acceleration of production. Turkeye is surrounded by very dangerous neighbors that could start a war anytime in case of change in their leadership, and for the current crazy Isreali leadership they could start a war on Syria in any minute. In short Turkeye should be producing like it is in war, and although Turkeye is working little fast but still not war like emergency. Iran mistakes and success in this short war should be studied seriously and Ukraine lessons also should be studied seriously. The work on big number of Air defence as intense as the small Isreal should be accelerated meanwhile the work on Russia like big long range kamikaze drone(1,000km+) production (about 200 daily) should be considered and mass production of 1,000km+ Ballistic missiles that the president already ordered to accelerate should be considered (300+ monthly). The defense and the ability to respond and cause pain are deeply related. Government should encourage more innovative companies like Baykar to enter in these three fields: Rockets, Ballistic missles, long range Kamikaze drones, and Air defence. As we had seen in Iran Case praised Air defence Systems didn't find any real success especially compared to the hype and complexity while simple systems from new factories and young engineers had some success.

 

[sh. Abdj]

There are differences between turkey and Iran. Their most capable system is s300, which is even with updates 20-30 years old and uses pesa, I believe, radar which is compared to aesa, annd easy to jam.
They have much more systems but ours are more modern. Secondly, I believe the problem with Iran's AD umbrella being wiped out in a matter of days, was personnel incompetence. One general was sleeping at home. Everyone knew the attack was imminent. But the radars were not operating. In short, Iran can have the best tech but its worthless when you’re personnel can’t operate it properly I mean look at Saudi military campaign in Yemen.

Iran still have alot of Air defence Assets. The change is that the gape became more due to the Isreali campaign. But these systems are not competent. One of the main problems the Iranians face is things passing between mountains where the ground radars fail to detect them on time, while they don't have any advance AIWACS to solve this problem. Sadly Turkeye AIWACS program is not enough to cover The country vast terrain. I have no doubt that Turkey have better software wich will materials to better lock in and following of targets plus better share of data than Iran but Iran have faster rockets with longer ranges and still found it hard to down any fighter on long range. Ukrainians with western technology are also suffering against less developed Russia Air force on long range. In modern warfare the only real proven Airplane downing concept success belong to long range Air to Air missles supported by AIWACS.