TR Air Defence Programs

[Yasar_TR]

Would passive signal relay points be of any use, kinda like extenders that send back information ?

How can that be passive? That statement doesn’t sound right to me.
If it is relaying signal, then it is active.
Radar is a device that operates in electromagnetic domain. If you are sending signals then you are active.
Aesa radars do that cleverly by sending signals in rotating frequency pulses.by spreading signals across a wide frequency range and by rapid frequency shifting, and by using low probability intercept modes by emitting signals that are very weak and difficult to detect, minimising the chance of being intercepted by enemy sensors, they can be stealthy.

So if we go by the example given in that post; tower A and tower B sending and receiving signals with their Aesa radars, their detection would be difficult and they may be able to detect a stealthy plane that passes through their signal.

 

[begturan]

Interview with MKE about TOLGA layered drone defence system. Here is the interesting part. When he talks about the rotary cannon, at like 3:07 min he tells that it creates a cloud consisting of particles. Can MKE produce 12.7 mm airburst rounds?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1948328418077982997

this 20 mm auto cannon was developed by ALSTAG approx 7 years before, but we see that weapon on the MKE stand.

ALSTAG T-20 mm Boğaç Silah Sistemi

ALSTAG T-20mm Boğaç Silah Sistemi

www.millisavunma.com

 

[begturan]

Yeah looks like the same, maybe they bought it/them.

MKE is incorporating the products of many companies and pretending to have developed them itself. I think it is in a way creating obstacles in the way of those companies and convincing them to transfer their rights to it.

MPT76 was also developed by Kalekalıp but its production was not allowed, later it was produced under MKE.

 

[Radko]

MKE is incorporating the products of many companies and pretending to have developed them itself. I think it is in a way creating obstacles in the way of those companies and convincing them to transfer their rights to it.

MPT76 was also developed by Kalekalıp but its production was not allowed, later it was produced under MKE.

MPT76 was NOT developed by Kalekalıp

 

[begturan]

MPT76 was NOT developed by Kalekalıp

I first held this infantry rifle in 2008. At the time, MKE held the weapons production license and refused to allow Kalekalıp to produce it. After numerous unsuccessful attempts, they reached an agreement with Kalekalıp and began producing these rifles under the name MPT76. Over time, Kalekalıp was given a share of the production, forcing them to remain silent.

This page includes the rifle's production date.

MPT76

MPT76

www.kalekalip.com.tr

 

[UkroTurk]

@UkroTurk do we have our answer here? Despite saying it was only tested with Aselsan Sarp (12.7 mm)? Would this be too expensive to use with a 12.7 mm rotary cannon?

I adore our defense industry that could fit fuze even in .50 call.

Great achievement!!

 

[begturan]

This is the video of Boğaç, video uploaded 6 years ago

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1950585848636055602

HOT NEWS | Acceptance Tests for the National Long-Range Regional Air and Missile Defense System SİPER ÜRÜN-1 Have Been Completed!

— Acceptance Tests for the Serial Production of the 100+ kilometer range Siper Ürün-1 Have Been Successfully Completed!

 

[TheInsider]

Siper-2 LRIP delivery planned by the end of 2025 or Q1 2026. The first qualified serial production missiles are to be delivered by the end of 2026.

 

[Samba]

It would be nice to see a battle between Tayfun and Siper

 

[Pokemonte13]

It would be nice to see a battle between Tayfun and Siper

not realy a battle siper block 1 is not made to intercept srbm mrbm limit would be tbm it's good against cruise missiles fixed wing and rotary wing targets only with block 2 and then block 3 will siper be able to intercept up to mrbm although i still don't know if block 3 will have a kill vehicle or if it will intercept in the atmosphere

 

[TR_123456]

Different (new) video and look at ranges.

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So,this is Siper 1 reaching 150km?

 

[Yasar_TR]

So,this is Siper 1 reaching 150km?

No!
As far as I know effective range and altitude:

Siper 1 : 100+km range , 20+km altitude
Siper 2 : 150+km range, 30+km altitude
Siper 3 : 180+km range , with ballistic missile interception capability.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I would have said just the radar range but at 150 there are two lines maybe 150 is maximum range with reduced kill probability and 100 km with high probability (definitely not no escape zone)

 

[TheInsider]

So,this is Siper 1 reaching 150km?

The first picture is soft tracking (square around the target), and it is over 150km. Second picture is a hard lock and engagement tracking. Look at the yellow dots around the target. The target is engaged over 125km.

 

[mTT]

Different (new) video and look at ranges.

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The radar detected the helicopter at a range of over 150 km and achieved target lock at a range of over 125 km. This indicates that the helicopters were detected at two different ranges, with a different action taken for each.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I would have said just the radar range but at 150 there are two lines maybe 150 is maximum range with reduced kill probability and 100 km with high probability (definitely not no escape zone)

Siper 1 probably can engage slower, lower altitude targets at longer ranges than 100km.
But it really needs to be tested against a supersonic fighter jet flying at 50000ft performing manoeuvres. Remember US using f4s and Mig29s for that purpose. Same goes for the a2a missiles.
Using high speed but subsonic Simsek target planes at lower altitudes will give you a pro-rata idea of the Siper1’s performance capability. But it can’t replace the real thing. (where air is rarer, the missile will show different kinematics.)

 

[UkroTurk]

Could you please enlighten me ? If ramjet air to air missiles superior over solid fueled rocket a2a missiles, why today we don't have ramjet SAMs?

Why did UK and US Navy leave ramjet SAMs?

Today if we converted Göktan into SAM, What would be the pros and cons over rockets?

 

[uçuyorum]

Could you please enlighten me ? If ramjet air to air missiles superior over solid fueled rocket a2a missiles, why today we don't have ramjet SAMs?

Why did UK and US Navy leave ramjet SAMs?

Today if we converted Göktan into SAM, What would be the pros and cons over rockets?

Ramjets require an initial speed, thats why it's different for sam vs a2a. SAM are better of solid because ramjet also depends on air and would have difficulty with high altitudes.

 

[UkroTurk]

Do you mean Gökhan? Göktan is the surface launched version of Tolun.

To be honest I am puzzled with new products.