TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Pokemonte13]

In the future they should focus on buying more A400m as it can do both tactical and strategic airlift. And eventually completely replace C130s.

Less parts, less maintenance training and less dependency on USA.

Sometimes you don’t need a a400 to do c130 job and replacing the c130 1 on 1 with a400 would be too expensive but 5 more a400 would be a good idea (would have wished that TAF had a couple c17 for heavy lifting)

 

[TR_123456]

Sometimes you don’t need a a400 to do c130 job and replacing the c130 1 on 1 with a400 would be too expensive but 5 more a400 would be a good idea (would have wished that TAF had a couple c17 for heavy lifting)

We need at least 25 more A400's but no C17's they are expensive in everything(price,operational costs,maintenance).

 

[Sanchez]

We need at least 25 more A400's but no C17's they are expensive in everything(price,operational costs,maintenance).

If they were available, we would for sure buy at least 4-5 C-17s in the next 10 years. Qatari ones were invaluable in Libya.

 

[TR_123456]

If they were available, we would for sure buy at least 4-5 C-17s in the next 10 years. Qatari ones were invaluable in Libya.

So,we would pay about $1,75 billion($340/350 million a piece) fo 5 C17's with minimum 25k per hour operational costs?
Btw,if our president had asked i'm sure the Emir would have gifted us some.

 

[Sanchez]

5 F-16s from 132 squadron, 2 KC-135s, 2 A400Ms and a C-130 landed in US the other day, presumably to join Red Flag 25-2. This will be the first Red Flag TurAF joined since 2016. Interesting timing. 2 of the F-16s carry Aselpod while others carry the Sniper, another interesting info.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896748343277322566

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896747532384100813

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896747217685463433

 

[what]

Probably not entirely unrelated, than that a B52 recently joined us for an exercise. Seems like relations are warming up again.

US, Turkish Forces Conduct Joint B-52 Exercise

Learn more about Turkey and the United States' joint weapons drop exercise.

govconexec.com

 

[Ripley]

5 F-16s from 132 squadron, 2 KC-135s, 2 A400Ms and a C-130 landed in US the other day, presumably to join Red Flag 25-2. This will be the first Red Flag TurAF joined since 2016. Interesting timing. 2 of the F-16s carry Aselpod while others carry the Sniper, another interesting info.

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132. Filo “Daggers” will be based at Nellis (Nellis AFB) for the duration of exercise.
All sci-fi fans out there will be excited to hear that because the AFB itself is inside Nellis AF Range which is next to world-renowned Area 51!

A patch was designed for the Red Flag 2025 by Mr. Ömer Erkmen.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1897533547356782596

“A humorous veil was prepared for the exercise. Mr. Ömer Erkmen, who designed the veil, shared his story.

Representing our Air Force, the 132nd Squadron DAGGERS will fly at Nellis. We have designed a different visor (*patch) for our Daggers who will fly as the "Blue Unit" against the toughest "Red Unit" pilots known. The Nellis Air Base where the exercise is held is adjacent to "AREA 51", which has been the subject of UFO stories and movies and legends since the 50s, and it is even forbidden to fly over the area in question. The visor idea is that our Daggers, who shot down all the reds in the exercise, are now chasing other "Hostiile" in the region and have already chased one of the UFOs that no one else could find...
"You Can't Escape the Dagger" (* Can’t escape from a dagger)

 

[Yasar_TR]

Eurofighter Typhoon Teklifi Ankara'ya Ulaştı! | SavunmaSanayiST

Eurofighter Typhoon Teklifi için İngiltere faaliyetlerini tamamladı. Typhoon savaş uçaklarıyla ilgili teklif, Milli Savunma Bakanlığı'na ulaştı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

The offer from the UK for the supply of 40 Typhoon jets for TurAF has been received by Ankara.
Estimated to be at least 5 billion Euros, the offer details are not yet known.
But the planes are to be the latest T4 versions coming with Meteor a2a missiles.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Eurofighter Typhoon Teklifi Ankara'ya Ulaştı! | SavunmaSanayiST

Eurofighter Typhoon Teklifi için İngiltere faaliyetlerini tamamladı. Typhoon savaş uçaklarıyla ilgili teklif, Milli Savunma Bakanlığı'na ulaştı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

The offer from the UK for the supply of 40 Typhoon jets for TurAF has been received by Ankara.
Estimated to be around 5 billion Euros, the offer details are not yet known.
But the planes are to be the latest T4 versions coming with Meteor a2a missiles.

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That’s cheaper than expected maybe they cut a deal to integrate our own weapons and thus bought only a small amount of munitions

 

[Khagan1923]

Eurofighter Typhoon Teklifi Ankara'ya Ulaştı! | SavunmaSanayiST

Eurofighter Typhoon Teklifi için İngiltere faaliyetlerini tamamladı. Typhoon savaş uçaklarıyla ilgili teklif, Milli Savunma Bakanlığı'na ulaştı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

The offer from the UK for the supply of 40 Typhoon jets for TurAF has been received by Ankara.
Estimated to be around 5 billion Euros, the offer details are not yet known.
But the planes are to be the latest T4 versions coming with Meteor a2a missiles.

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That is cheap IMO. 5 Billion for 40 Jets + Armaments + Training I guess? Or is it just for the jets?

 

[Sanchez]

5bn figure is not sourced, nothing to know for now. 8bn is also “at least 5bn”.

ıt is good however that gears are finally turning with solid advances. This has been in the works since late 2021.

 

[Yasar_TR]

That is cheap IMO. 5 Billion for 40 Jets + Armaments + Training I guess? Or is it just for the jets?

That price is probably an educated guess by the writer of the article. But as you rightfully stated it must be for the planes only.
Meteor missiles are around 2 million dollars each. These jets carry at least 4 of them. With spares you are looking at a cost of 700+ million Euros only for the meteors.

 

[Sanchez]

That price is probably an educated guess by the writer of the article. But as you rightfully stated it must be for the planes only.
Meteor missiles are around 2 million dollars each. These jets carry at least 4 of them. With spares you are looking at a cost of 700+ million Euros only for the meteors.

We have no idea on the specifics as well. Of training, spares, munitions make-up, integration of Turkish munitions etc.

5bn figure comes up at 125mil per jet. Too cheap, and is probably just the flyaway cost of the jets, not including any of the above.

 

[TheInsider]

I expect a price tag per fighter from 125 to 150 million euros, so it looks on the lower side, but 5 billion looks plausible.

 

[TheInsider]

We have no idea on the specifics as well. Of training, spares, munitions make-up, integration of Turkish munitions etc.

5bn figure comes up at 125mil per jet. Too cheap, and is probably just the flyaway cost of the jets, not including any of the above.

Some contracts such as missiles, ammunition, and payloads like pods, will probably be signed separately.

 

[Sanchez]

Some contracts such as missiles, ammunition, and payloads like pods, will probably be signed separately.

Also probable, different JV companies.

Again to reiterate, there’s no DSCA analogue here, so we may not know the full figure or the full details pf the agreements any time soon.

 

[Saithan]

I think it's a mistake to sign the deals seperately. It would be better for us to sign a complet package to avoid any bumps on the road.

Unless of course buying the EF jets comes with a condition that we must be able to use our missiles from it, up to SOM types.

Does anyone know if it's possible to use A2A missiles we use on F16 from EF ?

 

[Khagan1923]

That price is probably an educated guess by the writer of the article. But as you rightfully stated it must be for the planes only.
Meteor missiles are around 2 million dollars each. These jets carry at least 4 of them. With spares you are looking at a cost of 700+ million Euros only for the meteors.

The guessed number is probably for the jets + training, I expect another 1-2B in armaments. At the end when all is said and done the sum will probably be around 8-9B. We will also have to pay a good sum if they agree to integrate our Missiles and Bombs.

There are rumours going around (not sure how credible) that TurAF wants a couple T1 for training purposes.

We also still haven't signd the official letter for procurement for the F-16? No? Would not suprise me if we see some news regarding the F-16 and F-35 in the near future (summer)

 

[Yasar_TR]

The guessed number is probably for the jets + training, I expect another 1-2B in armaments. At the end when all is said and done the sum will probably be around 8-9B. We will also have to pay a good sum if they agree to integrate our Missiles and Bombs.

There are rumours going around (not sure how credible) that TurAF wants a couple T1 for training purposes.

We also still haven't signd the official letter for procurement for the F-16? No? Would not suprise me if we see some news regarding the F-16 and F-35 in the near future (summer)

re: Typhoon
Correct line of thought.
Logical to train pilots on cheap T1 especially if we can get twin seats.

re: F16V70
We have already paid the initial down payment.
No one would pay that unless there is a signed contract.
It is up to the US to go back on their words. From our point of view it should be a signed, sealed deal.

re: F35
If they let us have the planes we paid for; great! Bring them up to may be a squadron strength. Then drag your feet for the rest. Hopefully, by the time they are due, KAAN is in inventory.

 

[hugh]

I would be very surprised if we get these aircrafts below $200m a piece. Remember, we have no infrastructure to service these jets. We will have to buy a lot of spare parts, maintanence systems, training equipment etc. + the missiles. It will be expensive