TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Yasar_TR]

Agree on much of what you said. But if I may nitpick:
- The 40m resolution you mention for Sentinel-1 is not quite correct. Sentinel-1 actually provides data in different modes with different resolutions (ground ranges ranging from 5m to 20m) and the one you would use for this task is the Stripmap mode with Single Look Complex processing, which gives you a 4m x 4m resolution (range x azimuth).
- The detection of ships with AIS is like an add-on feature and it's not relevant here. But, ships with their transponders off can still be detected with SAR. I had once written a deep learning algorithm to do just that using Sentinel-1.
- This is actually a moot point since I just used Sentinel-1 as an example of a very popular SAR satellite that can see through clouds without a huge antenna. For the detection of stealth jets it is obviously not viable due to long revisit times. That's why I said a special constellation of satellites. Also probably not with C-SAR but with L-SAR as RCS of stealth fighters tend to be optimized for C band anyway.
- Agree on the computation challenge, but things tend to improve fast in that domain.

But yes, one day.

Sentinel-1 spatial resolution

Hi，everyone.What is the difference between Resolutionand Pixel spacing? Thank you！

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Well, this site gives values similar to what I had read and shared in my previous post.
But it is all retrospective. More area sweep at a time, less resolution
Narrower swath distances, better resolution. More visits better resolution.
Just like ICEYE constellations. The minute you narrow swath to 5km your resolution increases to 0.25metres. Increase swath to 100km, you get 15m resolution.
A big problem with these is getting real time data, and response times.
When these issues are resolved, then we may start seeing the light.

But the rate we are going at the moment is rather alarming. Every country trying to put satellites up there is cluttering the space near our planet. Already space debris is a problem. It is disturbing that we may get stuck at one point because of the junk that has gathered up there. These satellites have finite lives, 10-15 years being common. Once they run out of steam, they start gradually losing orbit altitude until they burn in atmosphere. But that too is a long time and it is uncontrolled.

 

[Cenkcnk]

Are there any news either the eurofighter?

 

[Sanchez]

Are there any news either the eurofighter?

Nope. Nothing new so far after the MoU that was signed in Idef. Detailing and finalizing the deal still can take a lot of time.

 

[Strong AI]

The number of bases increased as part of the restructuring of the Turkish Air Force. The 17th Air and Missile Defense Base Command was established in Afyon, and the 18th Main Base was established in Yalova.

Two generals with the rank of Brigadier General were appointed to these two new units in the 2025 Supreme Military Council (YAŞ) assignments. Air Defense Brigadier General Cüneyt Güven was appointed to Afyon, and Air Pilot Brigadier General Mert Uysal was appointed to Yalova.

From deployment airfield to air and missile base
Afyon had long served as one of the deployment airfields of the Turkish Air Force. In line with the new decision, Afyon was elevated to brigade level and transformed into both an air and missile defense command.

Yalova Airfield Command has long hosted orientation and training flights for students of the Air Force Academy. In addition to the T-41 aircraft, Super Mushshak planes and glider flights are also conducted in Yalova.

17’nci üs Afyon, 18’inci üs Yalova – Tolga Özbek

tolgaozbek.com

 

[Strong AI]

A training flight was conducted in the international airspace of the Mediterranean, south of the island of Cyprus, with the participation of our combat and support aircraft that took off from various bases affiliated with our Air Force Command.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1957085998120161499

 

[Samba]

Any update on Eurofighter and F16V deals?

 

[Sanchez]

Any update on Eurofighter and F16V deals?

Nothing on EF and talks that F-16 deal is essentially stopped.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The F-16 Block 70 no longer makes sense as a temporary solution in my opinion.

The TAI KAAN is the central project for the future. It strengthens technological independence and domestic industry, but it will still take years before it is ready for deployment in significant numbers – that is clear to all of us.

The Eurofighter offers the greatest opportunity in the meantime: Memorandum of Understanding with UK only makes sense if concessions beyond the pure purchase are involved. These could include:

Interface approvals (own IFF systems, EW/ECM and national weapons integration)

Extended maintenance and repair rights

Manufacture of spare parts in our own country

If everything goes well, we will have a custom Eurofighter like the Israelis have with the F-35I.

These points would be crucial in terms of industrial policy because they reduce dependence, enhance our own aviation industry, and could potentially lead to further orders. Turkey needs redundancy. TAI KAAN as a manned fighter aircraft until 2040+ would not be enough; a second strong platform is needed. The Eurofighter would be ideal, as the F-16 is being phased out. Finally, through cannibalization, 80-100 Özgür II aircraft can be kept until 2040+ until the airframe is completely dead, and that will also be sufficient for NATO's nuclear participation until then.

 

[Sanchez]

Memorandum of Understanding with UK only makes sense if concessions beyond the pure purchase are involved.

Why?

Interface approvals (own IFF systems, EW/ECM and national weapons integration)

Extended maintenance and repair rights

Manufacture of spare parts in our own country

If everything goes well, we will have a custom Eurofighter like the Israelis have with the F-35I.

These would take at least 5+ years to set up, create, integrate. There's no way the first 40 aircraft come with our own EW.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Why?


These would take at least 5+ years to set up, create, integrate. There's no way the first 40 aircraft come with our own EW.

IFF, EW/ECM and local munitions integration can be done very quickly if the sort codes are accessed. But if UK will sell the ECRS-MK2 radar with the planes only local IFF system and munitions need to be integrated.

Extensive maintenance and repair shop system can be set up within a year whilst the team are trained.

Manufacturing spare parts is a sticky point. Most aircraft manufacturers make their money with these. But a compromise can be achieved if a JV can be set up. This may take a few years. But Tusas for fuselage and TEI and Kale for engine may help there.

Since F16V70 order is on hold, the quantity of Typhoon order may double or more. That should give more leeway to negotiate a more favourable contract, allowing us more freedom with the plane.

Tusas site states that 48 KAAN aircrafts to Indonesia will all be delivered in 120 months after 26July 2025, furnished with locally manufactured engines. Tusas has also stated that the local KAAN engine has to be ready and accepted by 2032 to meet this deadline.

If F110 engine sale is blocked, we won’t have an engine to fit in to our KAANs until 2032. To build up a squadron strength may take a couple of years if we are to meet export commitments too.
That means no modern jets for another 9-10 years.

So purchasing 80-100 Typhoons will keep our airforce in good shape until our 100% indigenously manufactured planes are ready. Otherwise we will be stuck with locally upgraded f16s.

 

[2033]

IFF, EW/ECM and local munitions integration can be done very quickly if the sort codes are accessed. But if UK will sell the ECRS-MK2 radar with the planes only local IFF system and munitions need to be integrated.

Extensive maintenance and repair shop system can be set up within a year whilst the team are trained.

Manufacturing spare parts is a sticky point. Most aircraft manufacturers make their money with these. But a compromise can be achieved if a JV can be set up. This may take a few years. But Tusas for fuselage and TEI and Kale for engine may help there.

Since F16V70 order is on hold, the quantity of Typhoon order may double or more. That should give more leeway to negotiate a more favourable contract, allowing us more freedom with the plane.

Tusas site states that 48 KAAN aircrafts to Indonesia will all be delivered in 120 months after 26July 2025, furnished with locally manufactured engines. Tusas has also stated that the local KAAN engine has to be ready and accepted by 2032 to meet this deadline.

If F110 engine sale is blocked, we won’t have an engine to fit in to our KAANs until 2032. To build up a squadron strength may take a couple of years if we are to meet export commitments too.
That means no modern jets for another 9-10 years.

So purchasing 80-100 Typhoons will keep our airforce in good shape until our 100% indigenously manufactured planes are ready. Otherwise we will be stuck with locally upgraded f16s.

As far as I understand, we won’t be acquiring either the Eurofighter or the F-16V. Is there any news about the Özgür-2 modernization?

 

[Zafer]

We only need to make sure we can have an early crop of engines that can satisfy basic requirements while they still fall behind the best quality foreign engines. Like an 80% quality engine will take us to where we need to be in the short term. Can we do this by 2028, I believe we can.

We should also work on more variety in plane design, more of single engine and 3 or 4 engine designs should be worked on. When you have all the components available it would be foolish to not go for more capability.

 

[Lool]

Anyone who believes that Turkey will potentially acquire F16V or F35, while jewish and greek lobby dominates congress and Trump's brain, then they are delusional

There is an extremely slight possibility for the Typhoons but I always know that the Germans, just like with most defence deals with Turkey, will try to sabotage it in the last minute

Turkey's only option is to continue with the F16 Ozgur program (which according to TAI, makes it equivalent to the Viper variant of the US) and try to get KAAN done somehow

 

[Oublious]

Today Kaner Kurt will asl that question to Ozgor Eksi in his interview about latest development about the f16 ans ef deal.