TR Aircraft Carrier and Amphibious Ship Programs

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But the question is does ADA-class need capabilities for AAW? It can protect itself atleast with RAM but a small amount of additional ESSM or G40 just in case would be the better option.

And seriously Turkey has to make cut somewhere and direct this money to the ship construction and Navy, it's not heating up it's literally boiling.

Agree, but the best way to save money is making some systems modular. Use those modules when you are at war, in peace time no need.

I mentioned only Milgem, but any other ship that has Genesis and 3D radar: LST, LHD, patrol boats, FAC's etc. could be equipped in time of need with an air defense layer.

Adapting to technological possibilities gives the navy more flexibility
 

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Like TOR, our LHD could use her deck for trucks with Bora artillery missile for land attack / troop support from the sea during missions.

Possibilities are lot and we can use those possibilities because it is our technology.

The technological advancement of the Turkish defense industry is opening possibilities to implement ideas out of the box.
 

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Osmangazi class, LST &Mine Layer has been built (1990s) and modernized (2000s) in rough times Spent 6~7 years in shipyard, 4 until being commissioned, 2~3 after being commissioned, built in Taşkızak (now moved and renamed as Pendik Naval Shipyard).
In modernization, Almost all installed systems were scrapped from a Knox class (unknown if from retired or transferred for parts) , 2 of AN/SLQ-32, 1x Phalanx. One of two oerlikon is from the the ship itself, source of the second remains unclear but possibly purchased for the planned 2nd ship. The project was continuation of Bey class LST project which has initiated by Taşkızak again.
Later the project has fruited Bayraktar Class LST, and other LST designs which can be built easily at request of the navy.
At the time it was the only LST with EW and CIWS.
 

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Juan Carlos I LHD having issues with POD propulsion systems...
Turkish Navy has requested design alterations in the first stages of the project (we mostly have seen it as replacement of gas turbines gen-sets with individual diesel gen-sets also possible alterations at convertors and panels might be done), referring to undesired vibrations and noises appearing at certain conditions. Now we can wonder,or conclude it was the similar issue thus resolved on TCG Anadolu.
 

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Turkish Navy has requested design alterations in the first stages of the project (we mostly have seen it as replacement of gas turbines gen-sets with individual diesel gen-sets also possible alterations at convertors and panels might be done), referring to undesired vibrations and noises appearing at certain conditions. Now we can wonder,or conclude it was the similar issue thus resolved on TCG Anadolu.

The article focuses on the pods, not the gen-sets.

Didn't know Australia had POD issues too...

Hopefully we won't see such issues with TCG Anadolu..
 

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The article focuses on the pods, not the gen-sets.

Didn't know Australia had issues too...

Hopefully we won't see such issues with TCG Anadolu..

Uskudar.biz have writings on this

 

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The article focuses on the pods, not the gen-sets.
I rather understood as a whole from generators to convertors etc.
Not good for reputation of Siemens too, looks the the problem wasn't only pods but also propellers according to second link.
If Navantia has already switched to ABB for pods, then there is no way TCG Anadolu would be accepted with Siemens.
 

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what kinds of planes will operate this carrier after the f35 crisis with the usa ? except the herlicopters of course and uavs
It is an LHD additionally modified to host STOVL aircraft. Without it, it is still a fully functional LHD.
At least it won't have any issues in the future when another STOVL aircraft is introduced or issue with US has been resolved. The ship is expected to be operated for 30+ years.
 

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By introducing a proper aircraft carrier in the medium term.
Also there are views that the light attack fighter project Hürjet can be altered to operate from this class of LHD.

It is an LHD additionally modified to host STOVL aircraft. Without it, it is still a fully functional LHD.
At least it won't have any issues in the future when another STOVL aircraft is introduced or issue with US has been resolved. The ship is expected to be operated for 30+ years.
why not considering the harrier jets from the UK ?
and the russians have promissing projects for vertical takeoff jet yak 141 i think could any collaborationmay take place with it !
 

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why not considering the harrier jets from the UK ?
and the russians have promissing projects for vertical takeoff jet yak 141 i think could any collaborationmay take place with it !
The advantage of F-35B is not solely the STOVL capability but the sensors, Harriers could serve the purpose of training and keeping naval aviation team active, but i wouldn't expect to be effective solution in a long term commitment.
If it is available, either from UK,Spain or Italy TN should get those Harriers. I think, neither of the forces are interested with Russian jets as of now so Navy wouldn't prefer that way out.
Also, the light aircraft carrier is the secondary role, Navy will initially focus on fullfilling and getting experienced with such a large amphibious asset, according to plan (if happened) the naval aviation would have been matured 3-4 years later than delivery of the LHD, and stationed on the vessel form 5th year of operation.
 

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what kinds of planes will operate this carrier after the f35 crisis with the usa ? except the herlicopters of course and uavs
As it stands I can’t see it operating any planes in the short term.
To take the ski lift off the design when building the ship was going to be more expensive than leaving it. So probably because of this it was left. But during the building of the ship f35 idea materialised and the surface of the deck of the ship, with great expense, was covered with a special material to withstand the extreme heat the F135 engine generates especially when vertical landing. That now stands as wasted money.
But I believe that with the right modifications, the ship can still accommodate a complement of 6 to 8 planes, like Navalised Hurjet, if powerful engines are used and a good arresting hook is fitted. But as we never have had any experience in this area there is too much to learn yet. So don’t hold your breath! (Then again we did not know enough about UAV technology apart from operating some Herons that did not work properly)
 
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By the way which Air Defence Systems will our LPD have? Are we under sanctions now?
 

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By the way which Air Defence Systems will our LPD have? Are we under sanctions now?
On paper it was supposed to have :

If I recall correctly couple of Phalanx CWIS from old platforms were going to be used. But this could be changed with Gokdeniz. However as Gokdeniz does take more space, a place has to be allocated to it.
RAM could be a problem. But we were working on our indigenous RAM replacement. (Sungur could be turned in to a replacement of this missile)
 
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On paper it was supposed to have :


If I recall correctly couple of Phalanx CWIS from old platforms were going to be used. But this could be changed with Gokdeniz. However as Gokdeniz does take more space, a place has to be allocated to it.
RAM could be a problem. But we were working on our indigenous RAM replacement. (Sungur could be turned in to a replacement of this missile)

i can see from such armament that it will depend on the escorting frigates for protection
btw do turkey have any long range aaw systems on their frigates ?
 

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By the way which Air Defence Systems will our LPD have? Are we under sanctions now?
Phalanx + RAM which i don't think will be embargoed.
On paper it was supposed to have :

If I recall correctly couple of Phalanx CWIS from old platforms were going to be used. But this could be changed with Gokdeniz. However as Gokdeniz does take more space, a place has to be allocated to it.
RAM could be a problem. But we were working on our indigenous RAM replacement. (Sungur could be turned in to a replacement of this missile)
Which old ships are being retired so Phalanx can be used from those? Possibly the ships which will retire also has got their phalanxes from an older ship. (Knox class, OHPs given for spare parts etc)
DIMDEG will also need 2 Phalanx.
Sungur is not equivalent of RAM, RAM is remarkably bigger and more agile, also RF guided.
The elavated platform is large enough so if needed Gökdeniz can be integrated.

To take the ski lift off the design when building the ship was going to be more expensive than leaving it. So probably because of this it was left. But during the building of the ship f35 idea materialised and the surface of the deck of the ship, with great expense, was covered with a special material to withstand the extreme heat the F135 engine generates especially when vertical landing. That now stands as wasted money.
The reason why Spanish design was chosen is presence of the ski-jump. The ski-jump was also present in Request for Proposal, thus it was planned. However project itself has changed remarkably over time, the decisions were made prior to the construction in RfP. Same applies to jet-resistant deck, it hasn't been decided later but before the construction.
But I believe that with the right modifications, the ship can still accommodate a complement of 6 to 8 planes, like Navalised Hurjet, if powerful engines are used and a good arresting hook is fitted. But as we never have had any experience in this area there is too much to learn yet. So don’t hold your breath! (Then again we did not know enough about UAV technology apart from operating some Herons that did not work properly)
Not possible. Explained it in earlier pages i believe. 1st of all, the ship is an LHD, we can't add a catapult and arrest system which would penetrate the deck, down to hangar, for large planes. There could be some innovative solutions for medium size UAVs but will not be long term.

i can see from such armament that it will depend on the escorting frigates for protection
btw do turkey have any long range aaw systems on their frigates ?

US Aircraft carriers are equipped with multiple RAM, multiple Phalanx + quad-packed ESSM yet they still "rely on" escort destroyers and frigates for a wide area defense.
The ship has sufficient protection for self defense, with an additional spot for VL point-defense (AA) missiles in the future. For the long range protection it will rely on TF-2000 (64 VLS+ Long range AESA radar) and medium range I-Class frigate (16 VLS - 64 ESSM + Smart-S II).
 
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