Not with those pricetags.
It will be worse when Altay is even more pricey than the K2.
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Not with those pricetags.
That price tag is for a tank that exists.Not with those pricetags.
It will be worse when Altay is even more pricey than the K2.
So can only buy K-2 just like poland....You‘ll need German permission to get Leo2s from other states like Spain. Anyway, if Europeans decide to send Leos into Ukraine there won‘t be much left for sale. All European militaries combined have only 2000-2200 Leo2 variants deployed
Eastern European Countries.România,Hungary,Ukraine,Lithuania....Who could that be in Europe? Possibly Albania and Bosnia . Spain as an offset for Navantia sales … any other candidates?
Most probably, Korea will dominate that market.
Albania and Ukraine stills EuropeanThat price tag is for a tank that exists.
Also, the European market is not so easy to take for Türkiye. I said this before, buying a final product from Türkiye is too much for much European pride. Even drones that have proven and hardened in battles failed to find customers, except for Poland.
Western European countries are dropping TanksI do think so, too. A Western European country purchasing modern tanks from Turkey? Right now, this sounds too good to be true. If it happens, though, it would mean that Turkey has reached a level of technological sophistication pretty much on par with countries like France or Germany. I highly doubt that Westerners are going to help Turkey establish such an image on the global markets.
Plus, many people are overlooking a new trend in Western Europe. The industry is setting up new production lines all over the place, even in Germany.
They're not going to share their profits with Korean or Turkish manufacturers without a fight.
Any shortage on tanks and other tracked vehicles in the West is going to be a short-term problem. This is for sure.
Eastern European nations are different. They indeed would buy Turkish products, in fact, they already are customers of the Turkish defense industry.That price tag is for a tank that exists.
Also, the European market is not so easy to take for Türkiye. I said this before, buying a final product from Türkiye is too much for much European pride. Even drones that have proven and hardened in battles failed to find customers, except for Poland.
No, they're not dropping tanks. This is a myth.Western European countries are dropping Tanks
They will not buy from anyone
UK and France had only 200-300 Tank right now and will not buy any more.
I disagree with that. The problem's not on manufacturing side, its on the material side.Any shortage on tanks and other tracked vehicles in the West is going to be a short-term problem. This is for sure.
They dropped the generation of Altay Tank,maybe they will invest the next generation.No, they're not dropping tanks. This is a myth.
The biggest strategic mistake one can make is to assume that the competition is sleeping and doing nothing.I disagree with that. The problem's not on manufacturing side, its on the material side.
There are reports of German tank manufacturing facing severe bottlenecks due to them importing the necessary titanium from, of all places, Russia.
China and Russia are #1 and #3 in titanium production respectively. Japan is #2, Ukraine is #6, Kazakhstan is #5.
By not cutting ties with Russia, we have managed to basically take ahold of all European tank market. The French and German plants are silent. The Koreans and the Americans won't be able to keep up.
We won by default.
It will be too expensive even for Turkish Armed Forces. I'm not optimistic in this issues.It took so long.A lot of money has been spent when localizing many subsystems. Even 10 years ago it was going to be expensive.So many things have been changed in the tank. Even rich Europeans have such ridiculous numbers,how can we afford the good numbersIt will be worse when Altay is even more pricey than the K2.
I‘m not so sure about that. Germans and Americans are still leaders and with innovative prototypes like KF-51 and AbramsX with 130 mm gun, autoloaders, hard kill APS, unmanned turret, ammo compartment etc. aren‘t giving up their market shares lightlySo can only buy K-2 just like poland....
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I‘m not so sure about that. Germans and Americans are still leaders and with innovative prototypes like KF-51 and AbramsX with 130 mm gun, autoloaders, hard kill APS, unmanned turret, ammo compartment etc. aren‘t giving up their market shares lightly
These new tanks will not in production within 5-10years,maybe wait for years and replace their own M1 and Leo2 firstly,number of the cold war Tanks were too largeI‘m not so sure about that. Germans and Americans are still leaders and with innovative prototypes like KF-51 and AbramsX with 130 mm gun, autoloaders, hard kill APS, unmanned turret, ammo compartment etc. aren‘t giving up their market shares lightly
I think 2020s east europe will buy K2 or Altay to defend themself from RussianGermany and France are cooperating in the Main Ground Combat System program (part of it is a new main battle tank). As we know them this will end in yells and tears and the end result will be a f*cking unreliable mess like NH90 or Tiger attack heli.
Italy‘s Ariete tank is ages old but last I heard, they modernized it somewhat.
UK recently upgraded their Challenger 2 to 3 standard.
Hungary ordered Leo 2A7 in 2018. Got 2 tanks delivered in 2022 (Greek are building the raw hulls and Germans craft them slowly by hand in Bavaria - German efficiency at its worst ).
Sweden and Finland aren‘t in good relations with Turkey right now to put it mildly.
Norway had a MBT tender K2 against Leo 2A7, but the new armed forces chief changed defense doctrine and don‘t what to pursue tanks at all. His lower ranking officers are protesting against his decision, a total mess.
Romania is looking for new MBT. Dunno if EU helps them financing the procurement (if so, then Brussels circus starts meddling in).
Greece? Makes Leo hulls and other minor reasons against a Turkish tank
As of now: Europe is divided and undecided