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IMO, it shouldn't even be light infantry. Given a choice, I would use combinations of gendarmerie, carefully distinguished from the armed forces, so as to ensure that the armed forces do not get into counter-insurgency ways of thinking, and so that arms, ammunition, equipment, methods all can be very clearly separated from military requirements to fight another state.

CERTAINLY use air power - for observation, NOT for interdiction.
Yes. The British used the RUC is Northern Ireland, who were police. They also used the UDR who were local party time soldiers and the British army. So you want a combination of all the difference services for different purposes.
 

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In fact, they should be gendarmerie; but a special kind of gendarmerie. A gendarmerie recruited from the highest education levels available in the market, one that stresses working with the people in a democratic way, more than lurid, SWAT team Hollywood movie re-enactments; one that is trained to spot talent and point them towards people development agencies. I could go on and on...
Interesting thing is Britain and the anglo-sphere in general we don't have gendarmerie. In England we have nothing like it and no history of it. So I find it a strange concept and way of doing things personally. Though I do agree with you about how it would be preferable to army or just police.
 

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Interesting convo I will dip back into a bit later hopefully.
 

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Interesting thing is Britain and the anglo-sphere in general we don't have gendarmerie. In England we have nothing like it and no history of it. So I find it a strange concept and way of doing things personally. Though I do agree with you about how it would be preferable to army or just police.
Hah! You Brits did it to us in India. There was this formation called the Crown Reserve Police, and there were two or three other formations - the Eastern Frontier Rifles and the Assam Rifles - all of which exist at the moment in independent India, in Igor out of the dungeon, hungry and willing to compromise on food quality form.
 

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Interesting thing is Britain and the anglo-sphere in general we don't have gendarmerie. In England we have nothing like it and no history of it. So I find it a strange concept and way of doing things personally. Though I do agree with you about how it would be preferable to army or just police.
The Crown Reserve Police became the Central Reserve Police, 300,000 strong today (benchmark figures 1.2 million for the Indian Army) organised in 200 battalions of about 900 constables each (135 per company, 7 companies =) 945 to be precise, each headed by a Commandant, that being approximately equivalent to an Army Major or a Lt. Colonel.

Then there's the very active Assam Rifles, deployed almost exclusively in the north-east of the country, about 65,000 constables, but entirely with officers seconded from the Indian Army.

The Eastern Frontier Rifles was the crack troop component in the east, but has become a sleepy, underemployed, 2 battalion force entirely manned by those Gorkhas who normally go into the 11 GR. The Assam Rifles also have very large numbers of Gorkhas, putting them third in line (leaving aside the Singapore and Brunei contingents for the moment) for Gorkhas who want a military career, after the British Gurkhas (around 4,000 and shrinking), the Indian Gorkhas (around 40,000, in seven GR regiments) and the Assam Rifles (65,000 men, but with strong elements that are not Gorkha).
 

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Didnt know this was put into production. I see 3 of them.

The cockpit looks rudimentary, but I think it can be refined in the following iterations.

Fixed cockpit, no wave barrier & water jets missing in the rear so maybe for Kashmir coin operations?

The paint job seems to be a primer and the gun placement is empty. so the real camo still needs to be put on. I wonder who are the first customers.

 
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Didnt know this was put into production. I see 3 of them.

The cockpit looks rudimentary, but I think it can be refined in the following iterations.

Fixed cockpit, no wave barrier & water jets missing in the rear so maybe for Kashmir coin operations?

The paint job seems to be a primer and the gun placement is empty. so the real camo still needs to be put on. I wonder who are the first customers.

Kestrel was seen to be extensively tested during Galwan standoff and that's the first time we've actually seen some platforms which we assumed to be in prototype testing phase were deployed in Ladakh. Infact, the orders for Mahindra and Tata armored vehicles were also placed right after seeing how PLA used theirs while IA soldiers were worn out hiking up the mountains

It'd be no surprise to see Kestrel actively deployed along LAC
 

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The cockpit looks weird. Hope the future versions have a collapsing one and a better turret on the top.
That should be the least of our concerns atm...I'm glad we're inducting an indigenous platform and I'm sure Tata or any private firm in that regard can significantly improve the design if IA places orders
 

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Back during my early schooling days probably around 5th grade, I used to draw a simulated battle scenarios with color pencils & crayons. It usually consisted of hills/mountains & a river in the center with tanks converging from both ends firing shells, missiles and bullets

Looking at this DRDO's IFV design, I just realized my 5th grade tank drawings looked exactly like this
 

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Back during my early schooling days probably around 5th grade, I used to draw a simulated battle scenarios with color pencils & crayons. It usually consisted of hills/mountains & a river in the center with tanks converging from both ends firing shells, missiles and bullets

Looking at this DRDO's IFV design, I just realized my 5th grade tank drawings looked exactly like this
I must warn you, you are not setting too high a bar.
 

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