TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[MADDOG]

Another T-70 undergoing testing.

 

[manifesto]

Another T-70 undergoing testing.

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I guess is there flır below to its nose?

 

[MADDOG]

ATAK-2 is close by

Phase-2 mod nearing completion

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

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ATAK-2 is close by

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Phase-2 mod nearing completion

What's the difference between Phase-1 and 2?

 

[Huelague]

What's the difference between Phase-1 and 2?

Some upgrades like laser, radar warning systems and other counter measure system like EWS.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1634480585769988098

The first helicopter whose mass production was completed in the Gökbey Utility Helicopter project has come off the production line.

 

[Baris]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1634480585769988098

The first helicopter whose mass production was completed in the Gökbey Utility Helicopter project has come off the production line.

So is the T629 project canceled or put on hold for now?

 

[Sanchez]

Gökbey is T625. I believe T629 was an T129 sized attack heli with Ukrainian(?) powerpack not bound to the Leonardo license or LHTEC engines. It looks like they let that go for T929. We already have close to 70 T129 in three services, with at least 20+ more on the way in phase 2. And an unannounced number of T929s. At this point, do we have a need for T629? Maybe for exports.

 

[boredaf]

T629 is supposed to have higher payload capacity than T129 (1 ton higher iirc) and an unmanned electric version. Doubt they've given that up completely.

Edit: Also, no matter how much we tinker with it, T129 is still limited by its original design. With T629, TAI can design it just the way we want/need it and develop it with what we learned from T129 and T929.

 

[Sanchez]

unmanned electric version

With how absurd that whole thing was, it might have just been a smoke and mirrors type of deal to dumbfound Leonardo.
Hope to read up more on it in the future.

 

[Anmdt]

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1634480585769988098

The first helicopter whose mass production was completed in the Gökbey Utility Helicopter project has come off the production line.

There is a high possibility that 625 can be armed and used in light attack duties, thus relabeling as 629 might make sense.

There were some reports earlier that 625 can be used by Navy as a light platform and might deploy the first dipping sonar for the sea trials.

 

[boredaf]

There is a high possibility that 625 can be armed and used in light attack duties, thus relabeling as 629 might make sense.

But would it have to same capability as a helicopter that is actually designed as an attack helicopter? Not to mention it would definitely have a bigger profile than T629 as well, which is not ideal at all.

 

[Sanchez]

It wouldn't, but not everyone can afford a fleet of purpose built attack helicopters. That's why the Mi-24 was an export success in Africa and why Korea is building LCH and LAH at the same time.

 

[boredaf]

It wouldn't, but not everyone can afford a fleet of purpose built attack helicopters. That's why the Mi-24 was an export success in Africa and why Korea is building LCH and LAH at the same time.

I agree with the export angle but that is no reason to give up on an attack helicopter that is completely designed and built domestically. I personally expect T629 project to gain momentum as we get closer to the end of our license for T129.

 

[Sanchez]

Noone's talking about stopping the development of attack helicopters tho. T929 is already in the works and we have enough T129s to fill our every need at this point and are giving them to the police aviation of all units with more still being built.

I do not believe T629 is a "completely designed" platform.

A T625 Gökbey that can be optionally armed with a nose gun kit and stub wing pylons, like the LAH in the future could be advantageous both for export and for filling the place of AH-1S/P if we opt to go for more choppers with offensive armament.

 

[dBSPL]

The T-625 could have been a Swiss Army knife in the same class as the Wildcat (AW159), with lower operating costs, lower initial acquisition costs and highly flexible payload packages suitable for a wide range of missions, which could have solved our navy's rotary wing problem to some extent. However, we still haven't heard anything from official mouths on this subject, we haven't even seen a concept drawing.

 

[Sanchez]

Army Aviation, like rest of the army is orthodox. Doubt they are interested in a solution that does more than one thing. They want their attack platforms to be attack platforms and cargo ones to be cargo ones. For recce role, T129 is quite capable in itself. Maybe years down the line when T625 matures or an iteration of it.

Same with the navy. T625 is just a civilian helicopter currently. They would watch how gendarme likes it first before showing an actual interest. If and when a navalized version comes about, Coast Guard would like a SAR version to replace AB412s. T625 might be a tad small to replace Seahawks(which the T925 would replace) but navy still also operates 13 much older AB212 ASW birds. With first batch of Meko 200's soon to be retired with I Class ships, the need for them still being in service will be reduced, as Yavuz Class ships already can't operate the Seahawk. Add Anadolu tho and the Hisar Class OPVs, we will need more Seahawks or Naval T925. I don't really expect to see T625s to do the same job Seahawks do.

 

[Baryshx]

Let's at least see Atak 2, TF-X, Hürjet, Anka 3 on March 18th. We will deal with disgusting politicians and shitty parties for 2 months. It will be a nauseating period for us.

We need to see somethings good.

 

[Anmdt]

But would it have to same capability as a helicopter that is actually designed as an attack helicopter? Not to mention it would definitely have a bigger profile than T629 as well, which is not ideal at all.

Who needs the same capability? There are plenty of customers and a market for such lightly armed helicopters. Give them a bit more flexibility with Cirit or alpagut or gun pods, those countries will go crazy.

 

[Heartbang]

But would it have to same capability as a helicopter that is actually designed as an attack helicopter? Not to mention it would definitely have a bigger profile than T629 as well, which is not ideal at all.

Even the US isn't above strapping some gats to its Blackhawk's. They even sold some to UAE