TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Anmdt]

You miss the point.People are criticizing because it doesn't look functional.Those who know say that there is a problem with the position of the barrel with the Flir.They say the muzzle flame will have a bad effect on the flir.Also that the angle of the gun can't look too high and because of that they say there can be only fire while the helicopter is hovering.

It is a prototype. I doubt if the flying one will have the same nose job but the operational product will get the E/O similar to what is shown in 3D models. They simply didn't work with that detail as of now.

 

[Era_shield]

Single blurry photo is good enough to make judgements (there are obvious things to judge). He probably has more experience in this sector than anyone else in this forum so I think it's his right to criticise.

No, it obviously isn't enough, and it's sad that this even needs to be pointed out. If you want to create a cult surrounding Mevlutoglu, this isn't the right thread for it.

 

[UkroTurk]

Will be there navalized ATAK 2?

 

[Anmdt]

Will be there navalized ATAK 2?

It is navalized, not the first prototype.

 

[Era_shield]

There are other experts or well known people criticised Atak 2. You guys are too defensive.

They are defence products, we should be defensive.

 

[Zafer]

Initial prototypes are all about flying and not about payload configuration. It is like looking at an unfinished piece of artwork. They will get the configuration right when it is time for it.

 

[Nutuk]

I don't get peoples ignorance. Mr Mevlutoglu is a well known in this sector and even he find Atak 2 quite absurd. Some of you guys should stop being over defensive and be open for some criticism. We don't want this project to end up like Hürkuş. Mistakes should be eliminated from start till it gets too late.

It is funny how people criticize.

Now people do not like the looks, but what if tomorrow it is revealed that the helicopter has an AESA radar in the nose?

I am not saying there is a radar but what if? Than all those people criticizing now will suddenly make a 180 degree turn and start to like it.

Let us wait a bit and do not rush into prejudiced judgements. First we need more photo's and officials telling details.

 

[Maedhros]

Feridun Tasdan:

I agree with Arda, I hope that it is not the final design. The further they keep the nose ball and EO gimbal from each other, the better. The flames and gases that will come out while the nose ball is working will have an effect on the EO systems.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1648753009659375616

 

[Sanchez]

but what if tomorrow it is revealed that the helicopter has an AESA radar in the nose?

I actually thought of this, imagine a built-in terrain following radar. It would be freaky but would explain the nose.
We'll learn more next month.

 

[Cypro]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1648578415287578624

He is right about that

just rushing for the election, TAI is not the one to blame of course.. redesign will occur probably which would cost more

 

[Baryshx]

Tai engineers could have made a classic design, so they know something. Let's wait and see, maybe they see our comments and laugh.

 

[Radonsider]

"Rushed for election" doesn't make sense as this design was decided upon for around a year ago? We even had photos from the design phase and later schematics...

 

[Manomed The Second]

Bro these guys can make beauties such as gökbey,tfx, Hürjet but make a ugly ass atak 2 this doesn't seem right.

 

[Sanders]

"Rushed for election" doesn't make sense as this design was decided upon for around a year ago? We even had photos from the design phase and later schematics...

I don't remember seeing anything like this before.

This is the initial concept design released by TAI in 2017.

Mock-up:

Picture taken from TAI's animation:

Another mock-up:

3D image from TAI's website:

 

[Radonsider]

I don't remember seeing anything like this before.

This is the initial concept design released by TAI in 2017.
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Mock-up:
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Picture taken from TAI's animation:
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Another mock-up:
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3D image from TAI's website:
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Here, from mid 2022...

 

[Sanders]

Here, from mid 2022...

This seems to belong to the T629.

 

[Radonsider]

This seems to belong to the T629.
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No, it doesn't belong to T-629

 

[Huelague]

Looks cold era Soviet style

 

[godel44]

"Rushed for election" doesn't make sense as this design was decided upon for around a year ago? We even had photos from the design phase and later schematics...

Rushed for election is a pretty bad explanation for anything in defense industry. I wish people would stop repeating it like it's a piercing insight despite all evidence. There are many things the government could have done to get more credit that it didn't do and they postponed IDEF 2023 to after the elections like it was nothing. They probably think, rightly, that with the platforms that have already come out they got as much credit as they can from the area of defense industry. The population does not care enough about the ATAK-2 helicopter enough to warrant rushing its design.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

It isn't right approach to look at a low resolution image and downgrade years of work in two sentences. Military products aren't considered and evaluated like models in beauty contests by Armed Forces. The design processes of these machines are shaped according to the demands of Turkish armed force. End user lists the requirements and shares their experience. Most cockpits in many programs are even designed with wishes of our soldiers. If a design change had to be made, there was a technical reason for it or there was an additional need coming from force. It should be known that if another design will emerge during serial production phase, this will also be due to need that will arise as a result of an evaluation/test process.

I'm assuming that some of you won't claim that Turkiye's largest aerospace deaign/engineering company couldn't think what members who have no experience in these matters on Twitter/Forums think. It should be known that noone should go so far as to claim that effect of the gun smoke on Flir is unknown by Tusaş but discussed/revealed by twitter guys. In this regard, I recommend that you should stay at certain levels in your comments and maintain your modesty instead of pushing the criticizim limits with conspiracy theories for strategic projects.

When T129 first appeared, some "smarty" said many things as well. FLIR is too bulky, obscures gunner's vision, poor guy's obsolete solution, or shooting accuracy is reduced due to the location of gatling gun, balance this or that...etc but Atak solution that was developed in line with our Army's requirements by Atak team was accepted and its mass production is still continuing and it is sold multiple countries abroad as well.

When Milgem introduced, someone were making a fuss as if ship had a balance problem. If i wrote what some people at the beginning of some programs was talking in this field, it would probably be a novel today and some of you would be shocked as well but nowadays no one mention what they claimed at past so everyone should pay attention to the comments they write.