TR Attack & Utility Helicopter Programs

[Fairon]

First delivery Gokbey will be Gendarmery 30 August, total 26 will be deliverd to instutions and after that second contract talks with SSB.

They are talking 2027+ years later first TS1400 will be certified

So T925 is changing to be more like T70. I am guessing that part of the reason for that is to make it fit in the ship hangars. Navy might not satisfied with navalized Gökbey idea and requested a Turkish Seahawk.(Navalized Gökbey's still can be used as a stop gap( with Lynx like configuration) and later fully replace the AB-212's after T925).

 

[Sanchez]

So the total T70 deliveries as of august 24 is currently standing at 14, good info to have. First delivery was to JnGK back in december 22, so that's 14 helicopters in 19 months. Hope the license is extended by the Americans or this will be one let down and joke of a program.
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And to add, if the license is not extended, get ready for an enlarged T625 or miniaturized T925, because a T70 sized helicopter is a literal necessity. And that's another 2-3 billion in the drain.

 

[boredaf]

If we are not going to renew the license we really should try to get a license agreement for AW101 from AgustaWestland. It is heavier than S-70, but all of our military branches, including navy can use it (if it fits our hangars) and it is from a company we have already gotten one license from. Plus, its motors are Rolls Royce so that shouldn't be too much of a problem as well. We could really use some heavy lifters until T-925 is ready.

 

[Sanchez]

J-6001, first production T625 Gökbey for Gendarme is in Güvercinlik joint base, presumably for more trials and/or certification tests. J-6001 was rolled off in 2022 and is still not officially delivered to JnGK.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1826543311777149378

 

[Ahlatshah]

From EASA Aircraft Certification:

Aircraft certification | EASA

Before a newly developed aircraft type or change to this aircraft type may enter into operation, it must obtain a type certificate or change approval from the responsible aviation regulatory authority. Since 2003, the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) is responsible for the...

www.easa.europa.eu

"The 4 steps of the type certification process:

1. Technical familiarisation and certification basis
   The aircraft design organisation presents the project to EASA when it is considered to have reached a sufficient degree of maturity. The latest safety and environmental protection requirements (certification basis) that are in place at the date of the application are the set starting point for the certification process.
   
2. Establishment of the certification programme
   The applicant needs to propose a certification programme that also covers the certification basis for novel or unusual design features and the means to demonstrate compliance with each requirement of the certification basis, which needs to be accepted by EASA. This goes hand in hand with the identification of EASA’s “level of involvement” during the certification process.
   
3. Compliance demonstration
   The applicant must demonstrate compliance of its product with regulatory requirements: among others, the structure, engines, control systems, electrical systems and flight performance are analysed against the certification basis. This compliance demonstration is done by analysis, simulations, flight tests, ground tests (such as tests on the structure to withstand bird strikes, fatigue tests) and other means. Depending on the risk, EASA experts perform a detailed examination of this compliance demonstration, by document reviews in their offices in Cologne, test witnessing and other means.
   This is the longest phase of the certification process. In the case of large aircraft, the period to complete the certification project with the agreed certification basis is set at five years and may be extended, if necessary.
   
4. Technical closure and issue of approval
   If technically satisfied with the compliance demonstration by the applicant, EASA closes the investigation and issues the certificate."
   
   

   J-6001, first production T625 Gökbey for Gendarme is in Güvercinlik joint base, presumably for more trials and/or certification tests. J-6001 was rolled off in 2022 and is still not officially delivered to JnGK.

   Certification programs EASA or not, take time. Also there may be some technical difficulties, these processes are perfectly normal. What is not normal is the created expectations about T625 entering services as soon as it flies.

 

[Saithan]

so what's keeping us from building 8 of these and having 1-2 go through certification process etc. while we test flight the begesus of the remaining 6, stress test, and try to reach at least 1000+ flight hours on them, if we're confident enough that they'll pass the process.

 

[Sanchez]

Certification programs EASA or not, take time. Also there may be some technical difficulties, these processes are perfectly normal. What is not normal is the created expectations about T625 entering services as soon as it flies.

T625 first flew in 2018. We didn't create the expectations, they were claimed by the company GM at the time.

This aircraft was to be delivered to gendarme in Q1 2023, which was already a delayed date, because first 3 T625s were to be delivered to gendarme in 2022. Going even further, originally first delivery was to be made in Q4 2021, which was later updated to 1 T625 by H2 2022, which was later revised to first delivery in Q1 2023, then revised to Q4 2023, and we currently do not have any dates.

"The first batch of 3 helicopters is expected to be delivered in 2022. The delivery date for the T625 GÖKBEY was previously planned as October 29, 2021, which was later updated as 'mid-2022'."

Defence Turkey Magazine

www.defenceturkey.com

"Kotil announced that they will deliver the first GÖKBEY helicopter to the Gendarmerie General Command towards the end of 2022."

TUSAŞ 2022 yılında Jandarma'ya ilk Gökbey helikopterini teslim edecek

TUSAŞ, 2022 yılında Jandarma Genel Komutanlığı'na 3 adet GÖKBEY genel maksat helikopteri teslim edecek

www.defenceturk.net

 

[Sanchez]

J-6001, first production T625 Gökbey for Gendarme is in Güvercinlik joint base, presumably for more trials and/or certification tests. J-6001 was rolled off in 2022 and is still not officially delivered to JnGK.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1826543311777149378

Seems this was from last year when it visited there and not recent. Sad, we are passing another claimed delivery date, which was August 2024 for 2 T625s.

 

[boredaf]

Seems this was from last year when it visited there and not recent. Sad, we are passing another claimed delivery date, which was August 2024 for 2 T625s.

I'm beginning to wish we had a different company focused solely on helicopters and related systems.

 

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1829510193451041026

T-625 delivery?

 

[Sanchez]

Looks great! Still not delivered though. Another wasted promised delivery date, but at least we get an eye candy this time. Delivery should be soon.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1829510044687179974

 

[Fuzuli NL]

They look magnificent!

 

[zio]

We are told Gökbey will be accepted on Agust but they only make just a show flight.Hürkuş also making show flight for 10 years.Aselsan ceo says about electro-optics of Gökbey,is there anyone who see it.If land forces intented to get Gökbey we can pass civil certification and go for military certification and it would be Quicker although its limits higher than civil ones.There is no intention of Gökbey Land,sea,air forces,they are using AB-212,AB-205,and all of them wants T70.How can we sell Gökbey to military forces of another country?.We will lost many oppurtunities to Leonardo.Is lynx helicopter of UK navy,better than our Gökbey,no they are same class.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1829510193451041026

T-625 delivery?

What is that color ? Like civilian helicopter , they should paint it black or hard grey

 

[uçuyorum]

What is that color ? Like civilian helicopter , they should paint it black or hard grey

They have bright colors, seems they want to increase visibility for things like search and rescue

 

[Sanchez]

What is that color ? Like civilian helicopter , they should paint it black or hard grey

Catch up JnGK is a civilian agency now.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Catch up JnGK is a civilian agency now.

Its part of Ministry of interior in peace time , In war time its part of defence , i read about it and i know while police black hawks are black why Jandarma one are like clowns agency for enterteiments ?!
I hope they repaint them

 

[Sanchez]

"According to the information I have received, the acceptance of the first three serial production T625J GÖKBEY Helicopters has not been completed in time for August 30, as the ongoing Military Certification activities of GÖKBEY Helicopters have not yet been completed. However, pilots participating in the tests are very satisfied with GÖKBEY's performance. More than 95% of the Military Certification activities have been completed, and a significant part of the pilot training has been left behind, except for flying under night conditions. The official acceptance of the first 3 T625J GÖKBEY Light Utility Helicopters, which are produced in Military Configuration for the Gendarmerie Aviation Command and defined as Early Entry Helicopters (EDH), is targeted to be completed in the last quarter of 2024 (if there is no setback, the acceptance ceremony is expected to be held on October 29, 2024).

The video clearly shows the helicopters' military-style 10-passenger seat configuration (similar to the Sikorsky S-70/T-70). In addition, the necessary cabling equipment and provisions for the Missile Warning System (MWS) sensors, Counter Measure Launch System (CMDS) lancers, search light and rescue crane to be installed on the helicopters in the future have also been prepared. Some of the T625J GÖKBEY Helicopters with full autopilot capability will also be equipped with the ASELFLIR-R400D FLIR System.

The first 3 T625J Helicopters are powered by the LHTEC CTS800-4AT Turboshaft Engine, while the other 17 T625 Helicopters are planned to be powered by the TEI-TS1400 Turboshaft Engine. However, the qualification schedule for the TEI-TS1400 has not yet been finalized. If qualified, it will be used in 17 helicopters; if not, the LHTEC CTS800-4AT Turboshaft Engines previously supplied by TAI will continue to be used.

According to the information I have received, over 1,000 hours have been flown during the flight test campaign, and over 100 hours have been flown with the J6001 alone. In this context, the J6001 was also subjected to 'snow tests' in Erzurum last March.

Defence Turkey Magazine

www.defenceturkey.com

EDH enters back into our lexicon, which was probably the smart way of doing things. Resetting the clock for end of 2024 for delivery.

 

[zio]

"According to the information I have received, the acceptance of the first three serial production T625J GÖKBEY Helicopters has not been completed in time for August 30, as the ongoing Military Certification activities of GÖKBEY Helicopters have not yet been completed. However, pilots participating in the tests are very satisfied with GÖKBEY's performance. More than 95% of the Military Certification activities have been completed, and a significant part of the pilot training has been left behind, except for flying under night conditions. The official acceptance of the first 3 T625J GÖKBEY Light Utility Helicopters, which are produced in Military Configuration for the Gendarmerie Aviation Command and defined as Early Entry Helicopters (EDH), is targeted to be completed in the last quarter of 2024 (if there is no setback, the acceptance ceremony is expected to be held on October 29, 2024).

The video clearly shows the helicopters' military-style 10-passenger seat configuration (similar to the Sikorsky S-70/T-70). In addition, the necessary cabling equipment and provisions for the Missile Warning System (MWS) sensors, Counter Measure Launch System (CMDS) lancers, search light and rescue crane to be installed on the helicopters in the future have also been prepared. Some of the T625J GÖKBEY Helicopters with full autopilot capability will also be equipped with the ASELFLIR-R400D FLIR System.

The first 3 T625J Helicopters are powered by the LHTEC CTS800-4AT Turboshaft Engine, while the other 17 T625 Helicopters are planned to be powered by the TEI-TS1400 Turboshaft Engine. However, the qualification schedule for the TEI-TS1400 has not yet been finalized. If qualified, it will be used in 17 helicopters; if not, the LHTEC CTS800-4AT Turboshaft Engines previously supplied by TAI will continue to be used.

According to the information I have received, over 1,000 hours have been flown during the flight test campaign, and over 100 hours have been flown with the J6001 alone. In this context, the J6001 was also subjected to 'snow tests' in Erzurum last March.

Defence Turkey Magazine

www.defenceturkey.com

EDH enters back into our lexicon, which was probably the smart way of doing things. Resetting the clock for end of 2024 for delivery.

Thats the right pathway.At the beginning they will be used for civilian purposes,painted as accordingly, but certification process is more longer than military ones so they changed their mind,now they should change ts colour and add some self protection systems.Planning is bad however finishing is good,mean time many months are lost.

 

[Radko]

Its part of Ministry of interior in peace time , In war time its part of defence , i read about it and i know while police black hawks are black why Jandarma one are like clowns agency for enterteiments ?!
I hope they repaint them

Not all helicopters of Gendarmerie are R/B/W scheme. Most of Police Blackhawks are used by PÖH, that's why they are black/grey.

Civilian duty helicopters of Police are painted, as expected, blue and white