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Addressing reporters after the party group meeting, Erdoğan also stated that Turkey's teams will participate in monitoring and inspections in the same concept as Russian teams.

Wait, this doesn't make sense. How did Russia agree to this. Or did RTE get it wrong ?
 

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France and USA are completely excluded from talks

Glad that Russia made those two suck their thumbs.

That is 5 years for armenians (under new extremely all-in pro-russia dispensation however that looks like) to lick all wounds, learn lessons, and equip up in deficient areas exposed now....with however much russian collaboration/murkiness on top. That is plenty of time...and who knows what Russia will do in the interim to help prepare Armenia for it.

You are forgetting that Azerbaijan will also have plenty of time to reinforce it's military. Compared to Armenia it can spend better. If those areas except Stepanakert really goes back to Azerbaijan then only few things they have to do which are sealing off the border completely in those liberated areas, building infrastructures, fortifying their defenses and increasing Azeri population in that area.

Azerbaijan can buy more weapons from Turkey, Israel and Russia, specially they have to focus on their air force and air defense. No doubt Turkey will be great help for weapons. And Armenia could still attack Azerbaijan even if they didn't sign the treaty just like Azerbaijan did after decades. After 5/10 years Azerbaijan should deny Russian peacekeepers. If Turkish peacekeepers are there then it shouldn't be any problem for Azerbaijan to completely liberate that area in 5/10 years.

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- That peace keeping will be done in the blue area and at the Lachin corridor. Rest will be under the direct control of the Azerbaijan.

- Legal status of the blue area is not changed. So, it's still an Azerbaijani land under the Armenian occupation. It's not like Azerbaijan gave those lands to Armenia.

I don't see what's wrong with that.

I am bit confused. Will civilian Armenians have access only to this blue area? Will the Azeri administrate the whole area or will the blue area be some kind of exception? How much of that 20% Armenian occupied territory Azerbaijan will get back in total?

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am bit confused. Will civilian Armenians have access only to this blue area? Will the Azeri administrate the whole area or will the blue area be some kind of exception? How much of that 20% Armenian occupied territory Azerbaijan will get back in total?
By international law, all of Karabag belongs to Azerbaijan.

- Outside of the blue Area, returned to Azerbaijan, meaning there will be Azeri administration like the rest of Azerbaijan
- Status of the blue Area not changed with the peace deal, meaning in the Azerbaijani eyes (and international community) it's still Azerbaijani land under the occupation of Armenia.
 

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This is so ironic as the Armenians constantly cried about muh reparations now they are going to pay reparations themselves 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Armenians will always be remembered as the losers they are. Now wonder they constantly cling onto the genocide.

Israel and Armenia are both different in many ways possible its not even comparable. Israelis are winners at least compared to the armenians 🤣🤣🤣
 
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By international law, all of Karabag belongs to Azerbaijan.

- Outside of the blue Area, returned to Azerbaijan, meaning there will be Azeri administration like the rest of Azerbaijan
- Status of the blue Area not changed with the peace deal, meaning in the Azerbaijani eyes (and international community) it's still Azerbaijani land under the occupation of Armenia.
You need to add that the blue area in Lacin is actually just a corridor and not land connection. Very important. Even if russia controls/patrols it for 3 year.
 

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You are forgetting that Azerbaijan will also have plenty of time to reinforce it's military. Compared to Armenia it can spend better. If those areas except Stepanakert really goes back to Azerbaijan then only few things they have to do which are sealing off the border completely in those liberated areas, building infrastructures, fortifying their defenses and increasing Azeri population in that area.

Azerbaijan can buy more weapons from Turkey, Israel and Russia, specially they have to focus on their air force and air defense. No doubt Turkey will be great help for weapons. And Armenia could still attack Azerbaijan even if they didn't sign the treaty just like Azerbaijan did after decades. After 5/10 years Azerbaijan should deny Russian peacekeepers. If Turkish peacekeepers are there then it shouldn't be any problem for Azerbaijan to completely liberate that area in 5/10 years.

Yes this is true. It depends on what Russia decides to do w.r.t Armenia.

Armenia is quite poor country in the region....highly dependent on its diaspora...and also the crucial time in USSR breakup to make its moves it did then (again with lot of Russian and diaspora assistance). The terrain of the region also helped Armenia for a long while to defend (this is precisely why they held onto lot of AZ outside of N-K as these aided in that).

But now Azerbaijan has 3 great advantages:

- 3x population

- Far larger economy (due to energy sector especially) and growing faster = way more funds for military

- Turkish brotherhood (and Turkey economy and military industry is much more developed than it was in the early 90s).

These all came together to surmount the challenges when push came to shove this year (or all clear given by Russia to punish Pashinyan...whatever the exact combination of these was).

So it was matter of time...and it remains matter of time going forward for re-establishment of Azeri sovereignty on all its land.

The X-factor is thus what Russia and Armenia relationship will develop to be now and if Russia sees anything to gain from a conflict restart down the road.

But I doubt it because I think a lot can simply be achieved by AZ showing its responsible peaceful party w.r.t the Armenian folks in N-K....and that things can go back to how they were before if you give peace and time a chance. That will pull the carpet from underneath the Armenian-extremist position that has established very strongly among them...at least in eyes of other parties. This would make it difficult for Russia, as it would be a blatant aggressor to upset that...and also severely damage economic and political connections it already has and could cultivate further with Azerbaijan and Turkey.
 

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bros i know its up to azerbijanies but i think the best deal for everyone is this

armenia keeps karabag instead they give land connection to Nakhchivan

ofc its just my opinion
 

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bros i know its up to azerbijanies but i think the best deal for everyone is this

armenia keeps karabag instead they give land connection to Nakhchivan

ofc its just my opinion

The conditions involves Azerbaijan linking the territories with a road. Either way, now there is an atmosphere where animosities within the region can be normalised..
 

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If Nakhcivan -Azerbaijan connection is monitored by Russia and regulated by Armenia, then Lacin connection should be monitored by Turkey and regulated by Azerbaijan. Otherwise it is not fair.
 

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The French have lost their mind, i wonder if they see Turks in their dreams at nigt...
I can imagine Macron mumbling ''sanction, no custom union, no Turkey no, stop or sanction'' in his sleep.

https://www.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/js8msi
The commander is born in an region, which is predominatly azerbaijani population in russia

Fingers crossed if its something good
Dont keep your hopes too high, these ex soviets care more about the union than the republics.
 

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Guys, each day it looks more and more like Armenian occupation got replaced by Russian occupation.
I would start to get harsh if Aliyev was my president but i dont wanna offend any Azeri bro...

I think this is how it’s going to be.

Azerbaycan is going to integrate karabag into Azerbaycan. And to secure transition Russia is there. And failure is not an option as Aliyev’s post reveals.

If everything goes more or less smoothely. Then time will mend the wounds. Those who can’t handle it will move to Armenia.
 

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