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Yeah, Azerbaijan's juggling of foreign relations with Iran, Georgia, America, Russia and China are totally because of Turkey's "protection". Not to shit on Turks, we are grateful to them for many things but our current standing on the world stage is not because we just did whatever because big brother Turkey will protect us.
Azerbaijan's only enemies were, are, and will be Armenia and Iran. China has good relations with Azerbaijan, Russia and US kept Azerbaijan at an arm's distance not because of hatred but in order to justify their military base and please their christian armenian diaspora respectively. How is it difficult to juggle relations when only these 2 nations are your enemies?

Furthermore,I never said that Turkey is what allows Azerbaijan to maintain its foreign relations; pls dont twist my words to suit your arguments!

All what I said is that the current preservation of Azeri territorial integrity is due to Turkish involvement and protection especially during the karabagh war when Turkish F16s landed near the frontlines to prevent Russia from intervening. If Turkey wasnt there, then Russia would have steamrolled Azerbaijan during the karabagh war and the situation would be too different from now
Turkey only has a major problem with Israel because of AKP's moronic handling of foreign policy.
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Then why did the Israelis support the PKK ever since they were founded? Why did the Israelis send frequent arm shipments to the sdf ever since it was formed? Was it all due to the AKP as well? Explain to me why on earth is Israel set on going to a war against the AKP when it was the AKP that kicked out Israel's reportedly greatest threat... IRAN? Israel never dared to invade Syria for the last 20 years even though they have been bitching about how dangerous Iran is for the last 2 decades but when the AKP comes, then shit hits the fan right?

Lets stop the third rate excuses, ever since the British empire and the Zionist's plan for victory was simple......Divide and Conquer! And this is the current framework being utilised against nations like Turkey and Syria. Divide its people and steal their lands at their weakest. Why on earth do you think Israel annexed a part of Syrian lands before the Turkish army can fully enter Syria? It is because they know that they need to keep some sort of bridgehead in order to try and overturn the situation against Turkey in the future otherwise their 20-years old plan for occupying Syria would turn to ash
Aliyev actually criticized Israel for their handling of Palestine and we officially support a two-state solution yet we don't have the problems that Turks have because we don't go around pissing off other countries for zero gain.
Because no one puts weight into Aliyev words. Aliyev in the grand scheme of things isnt as important as you think (no offense meant though) but Turkey is different; one word from Turkey can rile people up from different parts of the world regardless from the cause whether its due to religion or history or whatever. The jews are smart, they know Turkey's soft power os on another league and they are pissed whenever they see it grow and this is why they are anti-AKP since Turkish soft power grew the most during their era
And Azerbaijan had separatist issues too but solved them and what's more, we didn't let them get out of hand again. We have like 8-10 different ethnic groups that make up major segments of our population FFS.
Let me enlighten you as to why the ethnic issue in Azerbaijan and Turkey are different and in order to do so lets speak numbers and demography👇
The majority of Azerbaijan is of turkish lineage around 94.8% while the minorities make up the rest. The so-called minorities are also widely dispersed accross the country and they dont hold the majority in significant areas in terms of resources or geopolitical importance like this👇
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Turkey on the other hand is wayyyyyyy different

Unlike the dominant majority in Azerbaijan, Turkish majority is only 75% with kurdish minority making up to a whopping 19%. If that isnt enough, unlike the minorities in Azerbaijan, minorities in Turkey are heavily grouped in clusters and take up significant portions of land both important in terms of natural oil, gas, as well as land. Oil fields such as Gabar have only become operational in Turkey when the PKK was kicked out from Turkey; have you ever asked yourself why on earth are PKK's land claims in Turkey only include those areas that are only filled with oil? Think for youself about this. Moreover, with sufficient large numbers such as the kurdsih minority and with rich lands in resources, it becomes easier for outer actors that has some problems with Turkey to actually influence, radicalise, finance, and train such actors to cause havoc. You can search on the internet on how PKK fighters were trained on Greek soil by American instructors and armed with German-made and Russian-made weapons against Turkey.

Do you have something similar in Azerbaijan? No, simply because it isnt feasible economically, numerically and demographically In relation to the demographics in Turkey
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Our gas reserves really aren't that big compared to other major producers and if you think a major reason we aren't in political deep shit like Turkey is because of gas profits then I have two bridges and a skyscraper to sell you.
Certainly, Azerbaijan's gas reserves are peanuts when you compare it to the grand scheme of things but for its population of nearly 10 million people it is more than enough. The current gas reserves for Azerbaijan are enough to satisfy their people for nearly 200 years especially in terms of oil as Azeri official oil reserves are nearly 199.8 times its annual consumption levels; thus, lots of oil left to sell and make lots of cash for a nation of only 10 million people.

And guess what? Unlike Turkey, Azerbaijan doesnt have 4 different entities trying to steal their gas reserves and natural resources

if Turkey had free access to its gas reserves, the Turkish economy would have soared. Mind you that the current Turkish account deficit is deep in the red because of energy bill and has been posting a surplus when it comes to goods trade for years and yes i think that Turkey's political situation would have been different due gas profits since I look at nations that are inferior economically/technologically like Saudi Arabia and Azerbaijan but are only stable thx to their gas sales and nearly 0 energy import bill as an example (again, by no means do I mean any offense)
And if anything Turkey's larger population size should give it an advantage in international negotiations. I mean a major part of the reason why countries like China and India wield major influence is because of their insanely huge populations.
population size isnt a magical number that can solve anything
for population size to be relevant it needs to be sustainable such as with nations like Russia that has lots of gas reserves, lots of cash, lots of resources or China which is an economic behemoth or the US which is an economic behemoth and the world's reserve currency
Otherwise you will end up like many Arab countries with lots and lots of people but technologically inferior on top of Toyota Hiluxes that can be razed by one long-range decent MLRS
I'm going to refrain from a more hostile response but man, you really do love talking about stuff that you have no idea about.
Sure...... If I got a dollar for everone who said that to me and I turned right, I would have been rich by now
 
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Yeah, Aliyev is a bastard but he is a competent bastard.
Our society is weak, our political culture is very low even compared to neighboring countries, not to mention Western ones. On the other hand, where will democracy come from? We have been a colony of the Russian Empire for the last 200 years. And everyone knows what a wild political environment it is.
The morals are, of course, much softer here, but the system is obviously the same - Russian-Soviet.
I am not interested in anything except foreign policy and the army (problems with corruption, lack of democracy and interieure policy in general).
Our democratic opposition, before its final collapse, put forward its 26-point program. It did not provide for any changes in the country's foreign policy.
No changes!
And who is in power - Aliyev or Veliyev - does not interest me. I am not a politician.
 
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Azerbaijan's only enemies were, are, and will be Armenia and Iran. China has good relations with Azerbaijan, Russia and US kept Azerbaijan at an arm's distance not because of hatred but in order to justify their military base and please their christian armenian diaspora respectively. How is it difficult to juggle relations when only these 2 nations are your enemies?
If we go by your wishy-washy definition then the only actual enemy that Azerbaijan has is Armenia as the only country that we've actually fought recent wars against. While Turkey has no nations as actual enemies that they've fought recent wars against. And I know what you're trying to do by making me look like a bad guy in the eyes of our Turkish users, you AKP shill.
Furthermore,I never said that Turkey is what allows Azerbaijan to maintain its foreign relations; pls dont twist my words to suit your arguments!
"The only reason Azerbaijan can freely act is due to Turkey's protection and blessings"

Your direct words.
All what I said is that the current preservation of Azeri territorial integrity is due to Turkish involvement and protection especially during the karabagh war when Turkish F16s landed near the frontlines to prevent Russia from intervening. If Turkey wasnt there, then Russia would have steamrolled Azerbaijan during the karabagh war and the situation would be too different from now
Turkey's help was appreciated but they were not the reason why Russia didn't intervene.
hahahahahahaha
Then why did the Israelis support the PKK ever since they were founded? Why did the Israelis send frequent arm shipments to the sdf ever since it was formed? Was it all due to the AKP as well? Explain to me why on earth is Israel set on going to a war against the AKP when it was the AKP that kicked out Israel's reportedly greatest threat... IRAN? Israel never dared to invade Syria for the last 20 years even though they have been bitching about how dangerous Iran is for the last 2 decades but when the AKP comes, then shit hits the fan right?
Do you really just think you can post stuff and expect people not to call you out? Israel did not "support the PKK ever since they were founded". Mossad literally helped the Turkish government catch Ocalan, you know, back when the Turkish government wasn't run by morons that knew how to juggle foreign policy issues. Also AKP is literally just letting Iran flood Turkey with illegal migrants and has been helping Iran evade sanctions while Iran spits in Turks' eyes. But don't let me stop you blabbing on about how AKP is Turkey's last hope against some kind of British-Zionist conspiracy while they sell out the country.
Because no one puts weight into Aliyev words. Aliyev in the grand scheme of things isnt as important as you think (no offense meant though) but Turkey is different; one word from Turkey can rile people up from different parts of the world regardless from the cause whether its due to religion or history or whatever. The jews are smart, they know Turkey's soft power os on another league and they are pissed whenever they see it grow and this is why they are anti-AKP since Turkish soft power grew the most during their era
Oh so now it's about how significant or insignificant someone is? Turkey isn't particularly significant either unfortunately so it has nothing to do with that - please do tell me how many nations worldwide have been inspired to action by Erdogan constantly whining about Palestine. It has to do with being a good diplomat and statesman and AKP suck at both.
Let me enlighten you as to why the ethnic issue in Azerbaijan and Turkey are different and in order to do so lets speak numbers and demography👇
The majority of Azerbaijan is of turkish lineage around 94.8% while the minorities make up the rest. The so-called minorities are also widely dispersed accross the country and they dont hold the majority in significant areas in terms of resources or geopolitical importance like this👇
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Nice Wikipedia map. It's also incorrect. The Tat area should be fully orange and covering most of the north-east while the Lezgic section should be covering most of the north. Talysh are also present in many of the south coastal areas not shown. And I would consider both the north and the south pretty goddamn important considering that's part of where our gas resources are located.
Unlike the dominant majority in Azerbaijan, Turkish majority is only 75% with kurdish minority making up to a whopping 19%. If that isnt enough, unlike the minorities in Azerbaijan, minorities in Turkey are heavily grouped in clusters and take up significant portions of land both important in terms of natural oil, gas, as well as land. Oil fields such as Gabar have only become operational in Turkey when the PKK was kicked out from Turkey; have you ever asked yourself why on earth are PKK's land claims in Turkey only include those areas that are only filled with oil? Think for youself about this. Moreover, with sufficient large numbers such as the kurdsih minority and with rich lands in resources, it becomes easier for outer actors that has some problems with Turkey to actually influence, radicalise, finance, and train such actors to cause havoc. You can search on the internet on how PKK fighters were trained on Greek soil by American instructors and armed with German-made and Russian-made weapons against Turkey.

Do you have something similar in Azerbaijan? No, simply because it isnt feasible economically, numerically and demographically In relation to the demographics in Turkey
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Turkish majority used to be over 80% and dropped...thanks to AKP and the Islamists, that's right. And minorities in Azerbaijan are also grouped in clusters if you paid attention even to the map you posted. PKK was almost eradicated...before AKP, that's right. And I'd rather look up actual facts than some nonsense posted by other randoms like you about Americans training PKK in Greece in the 90s...when they were helping Turkey catch their leader.
And guess what? Unlike Turkey, Azerbaijan doesnt have 4 different entities trying to steal their gas reserves and natural resources
We had both Russia and Iran trying to claim them at various points. Even Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan had conflicts with us on it at some points. Also please tell me who else is trying to claim Turkish gas reserves besides Greeks. Somehow I have a feeling the first words out of your mouth will be "Israel" and "America". Do ignore AKP freely letting foreign companies do the actual retrieval of those resources and get most of the profits from them.
if Turkey had free access to its gas reserves, the Turkish economy would have soared. Mind you that the current Turkish account deficit is deep in the red because of energy bill and has been posting a surplus when it comes to goods trade for years and yes i think that Turkey's political situation would have been different due gas profits since I look at nations that are inferior economically/technologically like Saudi Arabia and Azerbaijan but are only stable thx to their gas sales and nearly 0 energy import bill as an example (again, by no means do I mean any offense)
Gas reserves do not fix stupid foreign policy and the fact that you keep trying to bait and switch with that tells me volumes.
population size isnt a magical number that can solve anything
It's not a magical number but it does make a major difference. And that was the point I made which you tried to ignore.
Sure...... If I got a dollar for everone who said that to me and I turned right, I would have been rich by now
LOL, you would be broke.
 

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If we go by your wishy-washy definition then the only actual enemy that Azerbaijan has is Armenia as the only country that we've actually fought recent wars against. While Turkey has no nations as actual enemies that they've fought recent wars against. And I know what you're trying to do by making me look like a bad guy in the eyes of our Turkish users, you AKP shill.

"The only reason Azerbaijan can freely act is due to Turkey's protection and blessings"

Your direct words.

Turkey's help was appreciated but they were not the reason why Russia didn't intervene.

Do you really just think you can post stuff and expect people not to call you out? Israel did not "support the PKK ever since they were founded". Mossad literally helped the Turkish government catch Ocalan, you know, back when the Turkish government wasn't run by morons that knew how to juggle foreign policy issues. Also AKP is literally just letting Iran flood Turkey with illegal migrants and has been helping Iran evade sanctions while Iran spits in Turks' eyes. But don't let me stop you blabbing on about how AKP is Turkey's last hope against some kind of British-Zionist conspiracy while they sell out the country.

Oh so now it's about how significant or insignificant someone is? Turkey isn't particularly significant either unfortunately so it has nothing to do with that - please do tell me how many nations worldwide have been inspired to action by Erdogan constantly whining about Palestine. It has to do with being a good diplomat and statesman and AKP suck at both.

Nice Wikipedia map. It's also incorrect. The Tat area should be fully orange and covering most of the north-east while the Lezgic section should be covering most of the north. Talysh are also present in many of the south coastal areas not shown. And I would consider both the north and the south pretty goddamn important considering that's part of where our gas resources are located.

Turkish majority used to be over 80% and dropped...thanks to AKP and the Islamists, that's right. And minorities in Azerbaijan are also grouped in clusters if you paid attention even to the map you posted. PKK was almost eradicated...before AKP, that's right. And I'd rather look up actual facts than some nonsense posted by other randoms like you about Americans training PKK in Greece in the 90s...when they were helping Turkey catch their leader.

We had both Russia and Iran trying to claim them at various points. Even Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan had conflicts with us on it at some points. Also please tell me who else is trying to claim Turkish gas reserves besides Greeks. Somehow I have a feeling the first words out of your mouth will be "Israel" and "America". Do ignore AKP freely letting foreign companies do the actual retrieval of those resources and get most of the profits from them.

Gas reserves do not fix stupid foreign policy and the fact that you keep trying to bait and switch with that tells me volumes.

It's not a magical number but it does make a major difference. And that was the point I made which you tried to ignore.

LOL, you would be broke.

I remember reading the wikileaks on what aliyev thought about erdogan, he was bang on the money. Its a shame because i feel if Aliyev was in charge of Turkiye would have achieved much more in the last 20 years and we probably would have avoided 90% of the traps erdogan dived head first into.

I feel like Turks from outside Turkiye have a much better perspective on what erdogan and ak party are. Here in england i've talked to cypriot Turks, Bulgarian Turks, Azerbaijani Turks, even Turks from central Asia, all of them basically saw erdogan as a failure f'king up Turkiye.

One of my fears was that erdogan would sell Azerbaijan out for the armenian enemy. According to those wikileaks Aliyev actually considered that erdogan betrayed him on it initially and pointed out how stupid it was for Turkish foreign policy to sell his own arse to Armenians.

When i see all the madness on display from erdogan i keep wondering if Aliyev has any influence to wake him up and reveal to him the failure in what he's doing.
 

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I remember reading the wikileaks on what aliyev thought about erdogan, he was bang on the money. Its a shame because i feel if Aliyev was in charge of Turkiye would have achieved much more in the last 20 years and we probably would have avoided 90% of the traps erdogan dived head first into.

I feel like Turks from outside Turkiye have a much better perspective on what erdogan and ak party are. Here in england i've talked to cypriot Turks, Bulgarian Turks, Azerbaijani Turks, even Turks from central Asia, all of them basically saw erdogan as a failure f'king up Turkiye.

One of my fears was that erdogan would sell Azerbaijan out for the armenian enemy. According to those wikileaks Aliyev actually considered that erdogan betrayed him on it initially and pointed out how stupid it was for Turkish foreign policy to sell his own arse to Armenians.

When i see all the madness on display from erdogan i keep wondering if Aliyev has any influence to wake him up and reveal to him the failure in what he's doing.
When Erdogan came to power, the army was in the hands of Ergenekonists and the law was in the hands of Alevi dedes. He had already dealt with the headscarf problem for at least 10 years. While dealing with these, he used the Feto. Then he dealt a big blow to the Fetoists.

Whether you like Erdogan or not, he has always emerged victorious from his internal conflicts.
 

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I remember reading the wikileaks on what aliyev thought about erdogan, he was bang on the money. Its a shame because i feel if Aliyev was in charge of Turkiye would have achieved much more in the last 20 years and we probably would have avoided 90% of the traps erdogan dived head first into.

I feel like Turks from outside Turkiye have a much better perspective on what erdogan and ak party are. Here in england i've talked to cypriot Turks, Bulgarian Turks, Azerbaijani Turks, even Turks from central Asia, all of them basically saw erdogan as a failure f'king up Turkiye.

One of my fears was that erdogan would sell Azerbaijan out for the armenian enemy. According to those wikileaks Aliyev actually considered that erdogan betrayed him on it initially and pointed out how stupid it was for Turkish foreign policy to sell his own arse to Armenians.

When i see all the madness on display from erdogan i keep wondering if Aliyev has any influence to wake him up and reveal to him the failure in what he's doing.
I also read about Aliyev's not very pleasant remarks about Erdogan, said, according to Wikileaks, in confidential conversations with the Western ambassador. But that was in 2009, during the crisis in our relations related to the "Zurich Protocol", according to which Ankara, among other things, was obliged to open the borders to Armenia, which, naturally, was assessed by us extremely negatively. But then Ankara changed its mind and did not ratify it. By the way, this was the only serious misunderstanding in our relations.

It is probably difficult to find at least a couple of people in Azerbaijan who have a bad attitude towards Türkiye.
Until recently, there was one nice female political scientist here - in love with Russia and Iran, and at every opportunity she spread negativity about Türkiye. She was recently arrested. It turns out that our relevant services were secretly monitoring her. When her connections with the so-called "Russian House" in Baku were revealed, the authorities immediately closed this damn house, where the Russians, as usual, under the guise of cultural ties created an intelligence center that operated against countries friendly to us.

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Russian Spies Become Homeless in Baku :)
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Outside of Türkiye, Erdogan is treated differently, in my observations. Among the Turks living in Western countries, there must be relatively more people who do not approve of Erdogan's policies. This is noticeable even on the forum:)
 
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