TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Sanchez]

I think this was expected. Nothing for now, but we'll see some contracts being dished out for Syrian needs. How the times change. Syria to possibly buy up to 400 Vuran APCs, obviously with a pretty favorable credit line.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1927030978981102077

 

[Pokemonte13]

I mean I would expect that turkey would give them older Cobra 1 and older Kirpis not brand new and expensive vurans

 

[TR_123456]

I mean I would expect that turkey would give them older Cobra 1 and older Kirpis not brand new and expensive vurans

They are not a gift,they will be paid for eventually.

 

[Pokemonte13]

They are not a gift,they will be paid for eventually.

I know that’s why it would make sense for them to get already used Kirpis and cobras as they would be the cheapest option for them

 

[TR_123456]

I know that’s why it would make sense for them to get already used Kirpis and cobras as they would be the cheapest option for them

They are investing in the future,Syria will be rich enough to pay for it in a couple of years.

 

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

Qatar is a 49% partner of BMC. There may be a possibility that they will pay for the vehicles. Syria does not currently have the economic power to buy 400 Vurans, so I think Qatar will pay if the news is true.

 

[begturan]

I mean I would expect that turkey would give them older Cobra 1 and older Kirpis not brand new and expensive vurans

We are already sending these vehicles to Ukraine, and we may soon transfer large quantities of these old vehicles to Syria, maybe Libia.

 

[Zafer]

If the product has a high degree of local input it is better to provide the latest models that can be used effectively. Once made available Syria has the resources to pay for the goods.

 

[Sanchez]

EU's new 150bn defence fund SAFE is now online. Turkish companies as I understand it will still require EU partners, but this will open the door to Turkish companies to get contracts with direct EU funding of low interest loans, both for EU and for Ukrainian needs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1927320409826865523

"The eligible activities financed through SAFE will relate to the first list of priority areas identified by the European Council on 6 March 2025 and will be divided into two categories of defence products:

1) ammunition and missiles; artillery systems, including deep precision strike capabilities; ground combat capabilities and their support systems, including soldier equipment and infantry weapons; critical infrastructure protection; cyber; military mobility including counter-mobility;

2) air and missile defence systems; maritime surface and underwater capabilities; drones and anti-drone systems; strategic enablers, such as, but not limited to, strategic airlift, air-to-air refuelling and C4ISTAR systems as well as space assets and services; space assets protection; artificial intelligence and electronic warfare.

Defence products belonging to category 2 will be subject to stricter eligibility conditions, requiring for the contractors to have the ability to decide on the definition, adaptation and evolution of the design of the defence product procured.

For both categories of the products, procurement contracts will have to ensure that the cost of the components originating outside the EU, EEA-EFTA states and Ukraine is not higher than 35 % of the estimated cost of the components of the end-product...."

Most of our largest firms are eligible for the funds per what they build.

 

[Zafer]

EU's new 150bn defence fund SAFE is now online. Turkish companies as I understand it will still require EU partners, but this will open the door to Turkish companies to get contracts with direct EU funding of low interest loans, both for EU and for Ukrainian needs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1927320409826865523

"The eligible activities financed through SAFE will relate to the first list of priority areas identified by the European Council on 6 March 2025 and will be divided into two categories of defence products:

1) ammunition and missiles; artillery systems, including deep precision strike capabilities; ground combat capabilities and their support systems, including soldier equipment and infantry weapons; critical infrastructure protection; cyber; military mobility including counter-mobility;

2) air and missile defence systems; maritime surface and underwater capabilities; drones and anti-drone systems; strategic enablers, such as, but not limited to, strategic airlift, air-to-air refuelling and C4ISTAR systems as well as space assets and services; space assets protection; artificial intelligence and electronic warfare.

Defence products belonging to category 2 will be subject to stricter eligibility conditions, requiring for the contractors to have the ability to decide on the definition, adaptation and evolution of the design of the defence product procured.

For both categories of the products, procurement contracts will have to ensure that the cost of the components originating outside the EU, EEA-EFTA states and Ukraine is not higher than 35 % of the estimated cost of the components of the end-product...."

Most of our largest firms are eligible for the funds per what they build.

You have a TB2 with 93-98% Turkish input but you can only sell 35% of it under SAFE and the remaining costs will be paid by other means.

 

[Sanchez]

You have a TB2 with 93-98% Turkish input

I really don't think TB2 is <90% Turkish, but yes. It's unclear if Turkey (still) being a candidate country puts us in a better spot than say Korea and whether we should sign a defence treaty with EU.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I really don't think TB2 is <90% Turkish, but yes. It's unclear if Turkey (still) being a candidate country puts us in a better spot than say Korea and whether we should sign a defence treaty with EU.

Do we really need EU to help us militarily when we are already a NATO member?

But it seems that EU needs Türkiye militarily more than Türkiye needs EU.

So as our saying goes: If you enter a Hamam (Turkish Bath) you will sweat.
If EU needs us then they have to treat us with member privileges. At least for the military side of things.

Otherwise they can stick their EU military alliance……

This should be the stance we take. But it is a fact that such an alliance will benefit us financially and in a roundabout way, militarily too. Especially when it comes to forming a united front against third parties in the absence of US.

 

[Sanchez]

Do we really need EU to help us militarily when we are already a NATO member?

Turkey, not being a member of EU, EEA, EFTA or Ukraine, is not eligible for SAFE funds. This just opens the avenue for low interest loans that will be paid by EU to be funneled to purchase of Turkish weapons and systems by these countries. Many EU countries already opted for Turkish products before this was signed as well, SAFE just makes it easier for them to finance any deals. That's why I posted it in the export thread.

 

[Zafer]

I really don't think TB2 is <90% Turkish, but yes. It's unclear if Turkey (still) being a candidate country puts us in a better spot than say Korea and whether we should sign a defence treaty with EU.

So you don't believe the 93% Turkish made declaration, while I do.
With the new Baykar TM100 engine it will probably go to like 97%.

 

[Sanchez]

ASELSAN has signed export contracts with its customers located in the Middle East and Africa Region with a total amount of 82 Million USD regarding the direct sales of guidance kits and communication systems.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928348858956108220

80 million USD worth of PGMs to Egypt, that's big.

 

[Afif]

Bangladesh, Turkey aim for joint defence production facilities in Chittagong and Narayanganj​

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Dhaka and Ankara are working to prepare a Defence Industrial Working Group that will supervise and manage “planning, policy alignment and execution” of all future military projects.​

byChandan Nandy

May 30, 2025

Even as the Bangladesh Army continues to procure military hardware from China, decision makers at the country’s industrial development authority or BIDA have evinced strong interest in building defence industrial complexes in Chittagong and Narayanganj with Turkish collaboration.

This was discussed at length by BIDA Executive Chairman Chowdhury Ashik Mahmud Bin Harun with his Turkish hosts during a five-day visit to that country. Harun’s trip included a visit to the government-owned Makine ve Kimya Endustrisi (MKE) located at Kirikkale in Turkey’s Central Anatolia region.

Harun’s visit was aimed at developing deeper strategic defence ties with Turkey aimed at co-production, technology transfer and capacity building. It is said that Harun and his other BIDA colleagues were “granted rare access” to MKE’s manufacturing floors, test grounds and classified briefings on artillery systems, energetics and small arms.

This is not the first time that Bangladesh has engaged with MKE. These acquisitions centred around the MKE Boran 105mm howitzers, 18 pieces of which were procured late last year with plans to expand the total units to 200 in the future.

Defence ties between Bangladesh and Turkey deepened in 2018 when as many as 15 different types of military hardware, including the Bayraktar TB2 drones, were procured from Turkish manufacturers.

While the latest engagement with MKE is expected to boost industrial integration, any future defence collaboration would be governed by the Bangladesh Economic Zones Act 2010. This legislation offers investors a slew of incentives, including tax holidays, duty exemptions and “operational latitude”.

With such incentives, BIDA is said to be evaluating “dedicated defence industrial clusters” in Chittagong and Narayanganj, which have port facilities or are close to river channels linked to the Bay of Bengal. MKE is expected to send technical evaluation teams to Bangladesh to conduct site surveys at these two locations.

There are reports that Bangladesh and Turkey are prepared to enter into formal negotiations for a realising a memorandum of understanding besides institutionalising a Defence Industrial Working Group which will supervise and manage “planning, policy alignment and execution”.

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Bangladesh, Turkey aim for joint defence production facilities in Chittagong and Narayanganj

Even as the Bangladesh Army continues to procure military hardware from China, decision makers at the country’s industrial development authority

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[mTT]

Spanish Minister of Economy and Trade Carlos Cuerpo:

"We will not only supply the Turkish Hürjet, there will be more."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1928450942384697810

 

[Huelague]

Will/Can Assan Group get a piece of this cake?

Great Britain plans to build at least six new factories for the production of weapons and explosives.

"The hard-won lessons from (Russian President Vladimir) Putin's illegal invasion of Ukraine show that a military is only as strong as the industry behind it," said Defense Minister John Healey in a statement. "We are strengthening the United Kingdom's industrial base to better deter our adversaries and to keep the UK safe at home and strong abroad," Healey said.

The investments amounting to two billion dollars will be included in the Strategic Defence Review (SDR), a ten-year plan for military equipment and services. The SDR is scheduled to be published on Monday. In addition, up to 7,000 long-range weapons manufactured in Great Britain are to be procured, according to the Ministry of Defense. In total, the announced measures will create around 1,800 new jobs, according to the Ministry of Defense.

The additional investments mean that Great Britain will spend around eight billion dollars on ammunition during the current legislative period, according to the Ministry of Defense.

Investition in Verteidigung: Großbritannien will sechs neue Waffenfabriken bauen

Großbritanniens Regierung hat angekündigt, seine Rüstungsindustrie massiv stärken zu wollen – als Lehre aus Russlands Überfall auf die Ukraine. Es gehe darum, seine Gegner künftig besser abzuschrecken.

www.spiegel.de

We know that Greece will use all its „influence“ to hold us out of any contracts with any European country.

 

[No Name]

Imo the Brits would only laugh at their faces.

So essentially, the same reaction the EU had.

 

[Huelague]

So essentially, the same reaction the EU had.

True, but within EU parliament, Greece has may to use his veto rights.