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Only God knows how many billions some people made from depreciating the currency, from buying different assets for peanuts, from all the ups and downs and speculations on the financial markets in the last years.

Simsek and the new economics team are doing the right things now for sure... but again why was this whole madness of the last 4 years needed? Aren't all Government officials and their prostitutes ashamed that they defended this madness and the impoverishing of the Country and it's people.
 

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Should have been done 5 years ago, a return to conventional economics to get ahead of the problem.

Turkiye could have been at 1 trillion nominal GDP at least by now. 250 billion in production was essentially squandered away for no reason and this will compound in the opportunity cost.

Unfortunately for many (developing) countries, GDP is also a very "1st world" oriented reference frame as it helps focus and capture lot of final consumption basis (and all surveying related to this)

Gross Output (GO) is arguably lot better measure for developing countries as it looks into and values supply side provision and elasticity lot more (i.e surveys lot more things upstream and in macro-format)....and developing countries should really be focused there as much as possible as the imperative before consumption (which really only matters once you have achieved large downstream wealth and wealth spread of note).

Capturing gross output in GDP (essentially double counting) is likely some part of reason China's GDP is inflated past what it actually is (compared to how developed countries measure GDP strictly)....and they compounded this problem further by their real estate investment on top....and then suppressing even their top level attempted reformers regarding this like Wen Jiabao and Li Keqiang (and their factions in the CCP apparatus and bureaucracy) more recently.

i.e There is balance to be had here (i.e developing sound measurement of both GDP and Gross Output side by side to compare) by much more institutional transparency and credibility from all countries, but unfortunately consumption-based GDP is be all end all promoted by western institutions as hold over from 20th century. Its not calibrating so well in 21st century even for themselves as their demographics age and debt burdens increase drastically.

The real estate focus in Turkiye (which drove lot of the unconventional economics of the Erdogan admin w.r.t promotion of low interest cheap credit no matter the inflation downstream).... rather than investing in supply side (which needs proper conventional basis w.r.t price signalling feedback into the central bank w.r.t the main investment sources in the world) combined with the overall GDP-centric basis the developing world has at large has really costed Turkiye a bunch in last 5 - 10 years.

The interest rate increase is welcome return to more solid footing, but lot more needs to be done in steady follow up to re-calibrate Turkish economy ship to the winds and currents out there....otherwise it simply patching one hole in the sail and working around the edges rather than taking the issues at hand squarely and concretely....and squandering of potential (i.e where you could have been) will continue and compound.
 

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I am more interested in National net wealth, also known as national net worth, is the total sum of the value of a country's assets minus its liabilities.

Despite the name, figures in this article only cover household wealth and exclude government wealth, which may be substantial, as in China, or negative, as in the UK or US, and so does not show total wealth.


We should create a national wealth.

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I think Turkey and India's bit higher because of the gold under the bed.

And some countries like UK And Japan must be lower because their wealth are most house prices

Turkish house was not expensive until recently
 

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Finally the interest rate need to lower again but Erdoğan always too hurry up to do that,just like force a parent to run 10km.

İf no the virus his plan maybe work but too many troubles.He always want to do many things at same time.
 

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I am more interested in National net wealth, also known as national net worth, is the total sum of the value of a country's assets minus its liabilities.

Despite the name, figures in this article only cover household wealth and exclude government wealth, which may be substantial, as in China, or negative, as in the UK or US, and so does not show total wealth.


We should create a national wealth.

Total household wealth by country
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So you are telling me BD is richer than Türkiye?
 

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So you are telling me BD is richer than Türkiye?
Short answer: No!

Long answer:
Household wealth refers to the total net worth of individuals living together in a household. It is used as a measure in economics to compare the wealth of different countries or regions. However, it is important to note that household wealth alone does not determine the overall economic prosperity or richness of a country.

While it is true that the total household wealth of Bangladesh may be higher than that of Türkiye, it does not necessarily mean that Bangladesh is richer than Türkiye. Household wealth is just one aspect of a country's economic situation and should be considered alongside other factors such as GDP, per capita income, and overall economic development.

Household wealth reflects the accumulated assets (both financial and non-financial) owned by households, minus their outstanding liabilities. It includes assets such as real estate, vehicles, investments, savings, and retirement accounts. However, it does not take into account factors like income distribution, poverty rates, or the overall standard of living.

To get a comprehensive understanding of a country's economic situation, it is important to consider multiple indicators and factors beyond just household wealth.
 
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What does 60,000 lira get you in Turkey and what does 60,000 euro get you in Europe
And how many turkish citizens have 60000 tl and how many European citizens have 60000€ in the bank.

This was a very strange question.
 

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I am more interested in National net wealth, also known as national net worth, is the total sum of the value of a country's assets minus its liabilities.

Despite the name, figures in this article only cover household wealth and exclude government wealth, which may be substantial, as in China, or negative, as in the UK or US, and so does not show total wealth.


We should create a national wealth.

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Show us the number in PPPPPPP.
 

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The treasure and finance minister invited a delegation from the IMF. IMF experts will conduct studies and prepare a report by the year's end.
 

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The treasure and finance minister invited a delegation from the IMF. IMF experts will conduct studies and prepare a report by the year's end.
Are they preparing to take a loan from the IMF?
 

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Not necessarily.
Invitation part was refuted:
"Pointing out that the claim that Turkey had asked for IMF support and that the delegation would come to the country for this reason was not true, the officials said that the Ministry had not made an official invitation to the delegation, but the delegation had recently changed the IMF's technical team on Turkey and new members had joined the team,
He noted that, as is customary in other countries, the new team may make a technical and routine visit to familiarise itself with the country, meet its stakeholders and learn more about Turkey's recent economic policies."

Though they will be waiting for support from IMF via other means, for sure. For example a report of how the "orthodox policies" are working and health of the economy is going better.
 

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The Central Bank (CBRT) sold 10 billion dollars through the back door in 27 days.

📐 “We have moved to a transparent, rule-based and rational monetary policy.” They say and look into the eyes of the nation and defend the wall of 27 TL.

🤿 In the middle of the night, someone is diving in the name of certain people and collecting cheap dollars.

🔘 Tourism season is over, September has arrived.

🧰 Now where will they find it and sell it?
 

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The Central Bank (CBRT) sold 10 billion dollars through the back door in 27 days.

📐 “We have moved to a transparent, rule-based and rational monetary policy.” They say and look into the eyes of the nation and defend the wall of 27 TL.

🤿 In the middle of the night, someone is diving in the name of certain people and collecting cheap dollars.

🔘 Tourism season is over, September has arrived.

🧰 Now where will they find it and sell it?
I think they sold dollars to cover the expenses for KKM for the upcoming month
I may be wrong though

It just doesnt make sense to burn dollars yet at the same time increase the interest rates and the rate of foreign currency that needs to be held by businesses. Moreover, Simsek himself stated that consumer loans have started to decrease

So it is really strange for the current situation to occur and can only be explained by selling dollars to get money for the KKM accounts that will expire this month
 
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Türkiye's trade deficit widened 14.2% year-over-year to $12.2 billion (TL 324.84 billion) in July, according to official data released Tuesday.

Turkish exports increased 8.3% from a year earlier to $20.1 billion in July, while imports soared 10.5% to $32.3 billion, the data from the Turkish Statistical Institute (TurkStat) showed.

Excluding energy products and non-monetary gold, Türkiye last month posted a foreign trade gap of $6 billion.

The exports-to-imports coverage ratio fell to 62.2% this July compared to 63.4% in July 2022.

Türkiye's outbound shipments to its main trading partner Germany totaled $1.67 billion in July, followed by Italy and the United States, both with $1.1 billion, Iraq with $978 million and the United Kingdom with $962 million.

China was the main source of Türkiye's imports in July with $4.6 billion, followed by Russia ($3.65 billion), Germany ($2.84 billion), Switzerland ($2.46 billion) and the U.S. ($1.60 billion).


That s the main problem.
 

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Türkiye's trade deficit widened 14.2% year-over-year to $12.2 billion (TL 324.84 billion) in July, according to official data released Tuesday.

Turkish exports increased 8.3% from a year earlier to $20.1 billion in July, while imports soared 10.5% to $32.3 billion, the data from the Turkish Statistical Institute (TurkStat) showed.

Excluding energy products and non-monetary gold, Türkiye last month posted a foreign trade gap of $6 billion.

The exports-to-imports coverage ratio fell to 62.2% this July compared to 63.4% in July 2022.

Türkiye's outbound shipments to its main trading partner Germany totaled $1.67 billion in July, followed by Italy and the United States, both with $1.1 billion, Iraq with $978 million and the United Kingdom with $962 million.

China was the main source of Türkiye's imports in July with $4.6 billion, followed by Russia ($3.65 billion), Germany ($2.84 billion), Switzerland ($2.46 billion) and the U.S. ($1.60 billion).


That s the main problem.

What are we importing from China ?
 

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What are we importing from China ?

Main Import Items to Türkiye: Phones for cellular/other wireless networks, automatic data processing machines and units, tools for receiving, translating and exporting audio-video and other information, compressor, converter

As of 2021, China has managed to become the top destination for Turkish imports (US$2.412 billion), followed by Russia (US$2.173 billion), Germany (US$2.129 billion), the US (US$1.99 billion), and Italy (US$93 million).

In 2020, Chinese exports to Türkiye amounted to US$22.1 billion, divided into three main categories of products: broadcasting equipment (US$1.98 billion), computers (US$1.24 billion), and non-retail synthetic filament yarn (US$459 million).

On the other hand, Turkish exports to China were worth US$2.93 billion, with marble, travertine, and alabaster being the top traded products (US$540 million), followed by precious metal ore (US$175 million) and refined copper (US$162 million).


We have to half the import from China.If you go to supermarket,lots of plastic items are from China.

By now,Chinese GDP PER capita and Income is higher than us,why we have to import every things from China?
 

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