TR Air-Force EF Typhoon

[Yasar_TR]

This is the type of launch system, if not THE launch system, used in EF for APKWS-II rockets.
Our Cirit missiles are 15 kg each. With a 30 kg launcher, 7 Cirit would weigh 135 kg in total. 2 of these on either side of the wings would give you 540kg of payload with 28 missiles.

Hurkus 2 aircraft has a payload capacity of 1500kg. It is built to handle Cirit from day one. Unconfirmed sources put it’s per hour flight cost in the region of 1000 to 1500 dollars.
Typhoon’s per hour cost is around 50 thousand dollars. F16‘s is in excess of 25 thousand dollars. Hurkus can stay airborne longer.
Especially if operating under 20000ft, Hurkus flight endurance is more than double that of an EF or F16 due to denser air where almost all kamikaze drones operate.

Air force will have to adjust it’s organisational set up to accommodate Hurkus.

 

[Huelague]

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This is the type of launch system, if not THE launch system, used in EF for APKWS-II rockets.
Our Cirit missiles are 15 kg each. With a 30 kg launcher, 7 Cirit would weigh 135 kg in total. 2 of these on either side of the wings would give you 540kg of payload with 28 missiles.
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Hurkus 2 aircraft has a payload capacity of 1500kg. It is built to handle Cirit from day one. Unconfirmed sources put it’s per hour flight cost in the region of 1000 to 1500 dollars.
Typhoon’s per hour cost is around 50 thousand dollars. F16‘s is in excess of 25 thousand dollars. Hurkus can stay airborne longer.
Especially if operating under 20000ft, Hurkus flight endurance is more than double that of an EF or F16 due to denser air where almost all kamikaze drones operate.

Air force will have to adjust it’s organisational set up to accommodate Hurkus.

„We“ have this discussion from the beginning about the Cirit pod, too less launcher. I remember that @Nutuk has answered this question with the problematic of temperature resistance of the pod. Anyway, 7 launcher are enough.

 

[Pokemonte13]

The biggest issue with fitting cirit in to this pod is that cirit has an extra capsule around plus something else

 

[Yasar_TR]

The biggest issue with fitting cirit in to this pod is that cirit has an extra capsule around plus something else

I don't know what that something else is but; Cirit is supposed to be fully compatible with Lau 131 launchers.

In addition to the LAU-131, the Cirit can be fired from other standard pods such as the LAU-61, LAU-68, LAU-130, M260, and M261.

While the missile fits smoothly into these mechanical tubes, Roketsan also developed specialized digital launchers for the Cirit to fully exploit it's data-bus capabilities.

Originally developed for our helicopters like the T-129 ATAK and AH-1W, Cirit’s versatile design allows it to be integrated across various rotary-wing, fixed-wing, naval, and ground platforms.

But we are not looking to buy Lau131 launchers. We are looking for Roketsan to develop our own Lau131 with 7 tubes.

 

[Sanchez]

Cirit is supposed to be fully compatible with Lau 131 launchers.

Remains untested for the past 20 years still.

No, that's TAI's 12x FFAR rocket pod. Cirit is carried in insulated launchers of 2 or 4.

Looking closer, Nigerian T129s are even more barebones than Filipino ones, no self defence equipment apart from the flare launchers and RWR receivers that I can see.

Compared to a Filipino T129B

And a late model T129B2

Infographic

 

[Spitfire9]

Given the outbreak of hostilities in the Gulf, do Gulf countries still want to sell Typhoons to Turkiye? If that is in doubt, should Turkiye perhaps order more new Typhoons? I think that soon after the order by Turkiye for new Typhoons BAe Systems announced that its assembly line had enough work to carry it over to the start of GCAP assembly. If it turns out that Turkiye wants to order more new Typhoons, does it need to do so soon?

 

[Yasar_TR]

 

[Strong AI]

 

[Zafer]

Fighter jets are to play less and less role in wars.
Going after foreign fighters like Typhoon or F35 is useless and is a waste of resources.
We can make up for the absence of these fighters using our own Kızılelma and Anka, we just need numbers and continuous development.
We shouldn't rely on others on things we can do solo, we can do other business for the sake of cooperation.

 

[Nutuk]

If it was up to me I would cancel the whole typhoon order.

No typhoons at all, go for LCA Hurjet and produce more Kaan blk 10 / 20

 

[Gaucho]

Si por mí fuera, cancelaría toda la orden de alerta por tifón.

No hay tifones en absoluto, opta por el LCA Hurjet y produce más Kaan blk 10 / 20

I would very much like the Hürjet LCA to develop to a level of the future single-seater KAI F-50, a more powerful engine and kaan technology

 

[Gaucho]

Turkey’s Eurofighter Typhoons on the Production Line! BAE Systems announced that the production of the aircraft is underway in the UK and in partner countries of the Eurofighter Typhoon program, with the first delivery scheduled for 2030.

 

[begturan]

If it was up to me I would cancel the whole typhoon order.

No typhoons at all, go for LCA Hurjet and produce more Kaan blk 10 / 20

Our procurement decisions shouldn't be evaluated solely based on need. Türkiye's procurements, or lack thereof, are generally planned in line with long-term policy objectives. In line with long-term plans between Türkiye and the UK, certain purchases are being made to build mutual trust and commitment.

There are long-term investments between Türkiye and the UK in the Eastern Mediterranean axis. The UK has chosen to align itself with Türkiye and profit from it, rather than antagonize it, or is pursuing a distant relationship based on mutual interests.

 

[uçuyorum]

Typhoon procurement is good. F16 are not yet fully modernized (only 1 or 2 jets with Murad testing?) Kaan is not here yet. We need fully combat capable fighters with AESA asap. The qatari ones should arrive when our pilots and technicians complete training hopefully.

 

[Nutuk]

Kaan is not there yet is a bit strange excuse. Typhoon is not there yet (for us) too

 

[Yasar_TR]

@uçuyorum & @Nutuk ,

Both of you are correct from your own points of view.

Kaan fighter still needs a lot of steps and hurdles to go through. If Kaan is delayed or the US messes up with engine deliveries, then Typhoon is going to be a real gap stopper. In fact a further 20 to 40 more units wouldn’t go a miss.

The whole idea behind the purchase of Typhoons were the fact that at least 24 Tranch-3 jets were to be delivered this year. If that is not realised as programmed, then we are going to wait till 2030 for the first production jets to come in.
If Kaan block-10 start being delivered in 2028 as previously promised, then come 2032, optimistically, we will have 20 block 10 & 20 block 20 Kaan jets. These will be accompanied by 44 to 56 Typhoons. Ozgur 2 modernisation is going far too slow.
So those 84 to 96 units of Kaan and Typhoon 4.5 gen fighters, will form the backbone of our modern jet fighter fleet after 2028-2032.

If they can allocate enough cash to extend Ozgur2 modernisation for block 40 and block 50 f16s after the initial 35 block 30 jets, then all the merrier. Otherwise we will have to make do with the current f16s and the above mentioned Kaan + Typhoon mix.

They have already started getting us to accept 2033 for the new TF35000 engine integration. So by the time Kaan becomes truly 5th generation we may have more Kaan block-20 and EF2000 tranche 4/5 joining our fleet.

It is important to plan these matters so that all our eggs are not in the same basket.

 

[Sanchez]

If that is not realised as programmed, then we are going to wait till 2030 for the first production jets to come in.

We might get stopgap EFs in 2027 or 2028 as well