TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[AWP]

BLOCK 70​	Block 30 - OZGUR Modernisation​
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is the OZGUR is the equivalent with the f-16V or it's just cockpit modernization but with less capability than the f-16v ?

 

[Yasar_TR]

is the OZGUR is the equivalent with the f-16V or it's just cockpit modernization but with less capability than the f-16v ?

Ozgur’s flight control computer is home made. So we have full control over what the plane can do. But apart from that the avionics and all other cockpit screens etc are on par with V70.
V70’s Aesa radar uses GaAs technology. Aselsan’s Aesa radar is going to have much superior GaN technology. How well we can use this tech is still to be seen.
Block 30 F16’s are said to have a much more agile airframe than the newer ones. Therefore if true, they are actually better birds to fly.

 

[Indos]

Block 30 F16’s are said to have a much more agile airframe than the newer ones. Therefore if true, they are actually better birds to fly.

Due to that additional fuel tank, but newer one has more range than the older variants because of that. I also wont say much agile, more agile in my opinion is more fair judgement.

 

[Yasar_TR]

F-16 Tüm Block Modelleri ve Farkları - Kokpitteyiz

Bugün sizlere F-16'nın detaylı olarak block modellerinden ve aralarındaki farklardan bahsedeceğim. Ancak başlamadan önce bir konuya açıklık getirmek

www.kokpitteyiz.com

You can read all different block particulars here. They are in Turkish but will give a good insight in to the F16s differences.
Our Block 30’s are quite different to other block 30’s. They have more powerful engines and better range.

 

[Quasar]

I am just curious about EW self protection suit for Özgür project ... SPEWS-II ? concerning SPEWS-II initially project was for 60 EW self protection suits for F-16 Block 50C if I am not wrong. Most propably something new designed to interface with the Aselsan AESA radar??? something similar to Viper shield?

 

[AWP]

Ozgur’s flight control computer is home made. So we have full control over what the plane can do. But apart from that the avionics and all other cockpit screens etc are on par with V70.
V70’s Aesa radar uses GaAs technology. Aselsan’s Aesa radar is going to have much superior GaN technology. How well we can use this tech is still to be seen.
Block 30 F16’s are said to have a much more agile airframe than the newer ones. Therefore if true, they are actually better birds to fly.

that's a really good news regarding the avionics . but I don't think that the new GaN aslesan radar will be used in old f-16 blocks unless the airforce command decide to spend more money to fit all turkish f-16 with the new radar

 

[Yasar_TR]

that's a really good news regarding the avionics . but I don't think that the new GaN aslesan radar will be used in old f-16 blocks unless the airforce command decide to spend more money to fit all turkish f-16 with the new radar

Well, at the moment the only Ozgur F16s will be block 30 versions. They are just going through the structural modernisations. They are the ones, the prototype Ozgur modifications were tried on. Block 30 are the oldest F16 planes we have. But it is only logical to expect these to be fitted with the first Aesa radars as well.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Below is an interview excerpt taken from Defensehere site:
(Thanks goes to our @Combat-Master for his post in another life)
Touching on the needs of the Turkish Air Force for aircrafts, Demir said the following:

"Liberty is a project carried out independently of the USA. So, if we were to be specific it is not exactly an agreement, but the outcome of Liberty has been successful so far and began to be integrated into our aircrafts. The systems are being integrated into the F-16s in blocks. Right now, we began the process of integrating a block into an F-16. In terms of the other blocks; there are slight differences in their development process, once finished, the process for their integration will also begin.

Project Liberty is as its name implies; it aims to liberate our F-16 aircrafts. Getting the F-16s to be independent means adapting them to domestic systems, implementing these systems into them and using them accordingly. In a sense we can say that this is a step towards turning the aircraft into your own property and your own system.

The modernization of the F-16s that we are talking about has already been a systematic modernization. Whether it is structural or avionics, there are things to be done at certain stages throughout the lifecycle of the aircraft. A part of that modernization is extending the life of the aircraft if needed. The other thing is that we are not expecting any problems in regard to Project Liberty. Liberty is a talent acquisition project and we believe that this talents acquisition can contribute a lot to the National Combat Aircraft.


ENGINE INDICATOR DISPLAY:

Compact, platform-specific configurable and user-friendly design, EID unit; It meets user needs and platform requirements for displaying engine parameters, which are critical platform data. With its redundant and reliable design, it will make pilots feel safe even in difficult flight conditions.

FUEL HYDRAULIC DISPLAY:

Compact, platform-specific configurable and user-friendly design FHD unit; It meets user needs and platform requirements by providing an indication of the tank fuel amount, hydraulic pressure and fuel balance status, which are critical platform data, to the pilot. With its redundant and reliable design, it will make pilots feel safe even in difficult flight conditions.

INERTIAL NAVIGATION SYSTEM:

Inertial Navigation System - INS; These are the systems that can produce navigation information and navigation performance information on their own. These systems operate by expressing the response of the gyroscope and accelerometers to the movement with numerical values. Since there is no signal received from any ground station, it is closed to signal mixing sabotage. INS does not need continuous data retrieval after entering the required initial values.

SYSTEM INTERFACE UNIT:

The system interface unit reads many analog system parameters, converts them to numbers and makes them available to pilots. It produces analog driving signals in accordance with the commands of mission equipment. SIU meets all the tough environmental requirements of the combat aerial platform thanks to its reliable and robust design

• Internally Redundant
• Analog Interface with Aircraft Systems
• Digital Interface with Mission Systems

NATIONAL MISSION COMPUTER:



National Mission Computer (MCS) is a new generation mission computer that provides the management of integrated avionics systems from a single center and supports the pilot with improved processing and graphics capabilities during the mission. By using two MCS, double redundant tactical mission management architecture can be created.

Abilities:
• Avionic System Management
• Platform Interface Management
• Operator Interface Management
• Symbology Production and Multifunction Display Management
• Head Up Display Management
• Communication and Identification Management
• Navigation Management
• Tactical Reconnaissance Management
• Emergency Mode and Reset Management
• Task Planning, Task and Test Data Upload / Download Management
• Synthetic Image Creation (3D Terrain) and Digital Sliding Map Management

ADVANCED IFF SYSTEM

The System will be able to transmit IFF information to radars as Long Range Interrogator. By bringing NATO STANAG compatible IFF Mod 5 / S Systems to its product family.

AESA RADAR
-GAN based
-1000+ T/R modules

So the EW system is something extra that we need to look at. Below is the summary of above:

 

[Combat-Master]

(Thanks goes to our @Combat-Master for his post in another life)

In another life, wut? When was I reincarnated ?

 

[AWP]

thanks alot mr @Yasar , I was looking for this exact kid of explanation of the Ozgur program

 

[Siper>MMU]

Below is an interview excerpt taken from Defensehere site:
(Thanks goes to our @Combat-Master for his post in another life)
Touching on the needs of the Turkish Air Force for aircrafts, Demir said the following:

"Liberty is a project carried out independently of the USA. So, if we were to be specific it is not exactly an agreement, but the outcome of Liberty has been successful so far and began to be integrated into our aircrafts. The systems are being integrated into the F-16s in blocks. Right now, we began the process of integrating a block into an F-16. In terms of the other blocks; there are slight differences in their development process, once finished, the process for their integration will also begin.

Project Liberty is as its name implies; it aims to liberate our F-16 aircrafts. Getting the F-16s to be independent means adapting them to domestic systems, implementing these systems into them and using them accordingly. In a sense we can say that this is a step towards turning the aircraft into your own property and your own system.

The modernization of the F-16s that we are talking about has already been a systematic modernization. Whether it is structural or avionics, there are things to be done at certain stages throughout the lifecycle of the aircraft. A part of that modernization is extending the life of the aircraft if needed. The other thing is that we are not expecting any problems in regard to Project Liberty. Liberty is a talent acquisition project and we believe that this talents acquisition can contribute a lot to the National Combat Aircraft.


ENGINE INDICATOR DISPLAY:

Compact, platform-specific configurable and user-friendly design, EID unit; It meets user needs and platform requirements for displaying engine parameters, which are critical platform data. With its redundant and reliable design, it will make pilots feel safe even in difficult flight conditions.

FUEL HYDRAULIC DISPLAY:

Compact, platform-specific configurable and user-friendly design FHD unit; It meets user needs and platform requirements by providing an indication of the tank fuel amount, hydraulic pressure and fuel balance status, which are critical platform data, to the pilot. With its redundant and reliable design, it will make pilots feel safe even in difficult flight conditions.

INERTIAL NAVIGATION SYSTEM:

Inertial Navigation System - INS; These are the systems that can produce navigation information and navigation performance information on their own. These systems operate by expressing the response of the gyroscope and accelerometers to the movement with numerical values. Since there is no signal received from any ground station, it is closed to signal mixing sabotage. INS does not need continuous data retrieval after entering the required initial values.

SYSTEM INTERFACE UNIT:

The system interface unit reads many analog system parameters, converts them to numbers and makes them available to pilots. It produces analog driving signals in accordance with the commands of mission equipment. SIU meets all the tough environmental requirements of the combat aerial platform thanks to its reliable and robust design

• Internally Redundant
• Analog Interface with Aircraft Systems
• Digital Interface with Mission Systems

NATIONAL MISSION COMPUTER:



National Mission Computer (MCS) is a new generation mission computer that provides the management of integrated avionics systems from a single center and supports the pilot with improved processing and graphics capabilities during the mission. By using two MCS, double redundant tactical mission management architecture can be created.

Abilities:
• Avionic System Management
• Platform Interface Management
• Operator Interface Management
• Symbology Production and Multifunction Display Management
• Head Up Display Management
• Communication and Identification Management
• Navigation Management
• Tactical Reconnaissance Management
• Emergency Mode and Reset Management
• Task Planning, Task and Test Data Upload / Download Management
• Synthetic Image Creation (3D Terrain) and Digital Sliding Map Management

ADVANCED IFF SYSTEM

The System will be able to transmit IFF information to radars as Long Range Interrogator. By bringing NATO STANAG compatible IFF Mod 5 / S Systems to its product family.

AESA RADAR
-GAN based
-1000+ T/R modules

So the EW system is something extra that we need to look at. Below is the summary of above:
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[Yasar_TR]

In another life, wut? When was I reincarnated ?

To me this is your current life. Everything else is another place, another life! Like a guy with two wives!!

 

[Yasar_TR]

thanks alot mr @Yasar , I was looking for this exact kid of explanation of the Ozgur program

My pleasure! You may find below articles interesting as well. This is on EHPOD, Tubitak has been developing for our F16s.

F-16 Uçağı Elektronik Harp Podu (EHPOD) projesinde Kritik Tasarım Safhası Tamamlandı!

TÜBİTAK koordinasyonunda milli imkanlarla yürütülen F-16 Uçağı Elektronik Harp Podu (EHPOD) Sistemi Geliştirilmesi Projesi’nde Kritik Tasarım Safhası tamamlanmış olup entegrasyon faaliyetleri devam etmektedir. Sahip olduğu DRFM teknolojisi sayesinde tehdit radara karşı hem ‘coherent’, hem de...

www.defenceturkey.com

F-16 Uçağı EH Podu (EHPOD) ve ED Podu (EDPOD) Sistemi Geliştirilmesi Projelerine Bir Bakış

İbrahim SÜNNETCİ HvKK’nın ihtiyacı kapsamında Milli Savunma Bakanlığı (MSB) tarafından başlatılan ve imzalanan sözleşme altında TÜBİTAK koordinasyonunda milli imkanlarla yürütülen F-16 Uçağı Elektronik Harp Podu (EHPOD) Sistemi Geliştirilmesi Projesinin 6’şar aylık 10 aşamadan oluşması planlanmış ve

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[Nutuk]

it is interesting that a fighter that has not yet been assembled is participating in the malaysian tender. So you have a hope?

Why is Israel not opting for a new fighter jet?

With Kfir and Lavi she was well on her way. Lavi would have been a formidable competition for the F16

 

[CAN_TR]

Why is Israel not opting for a new fighter jet?

With Kfir and Lavi she was well on her way. Lavi would have been a formidable competition for the F16

Long story short... US pressure in order to eliminate a future competitor, the Israelis had to guarantee that the Lavi will not be exported, IAI engineers even protested and rallied support for the project, but they cancelled the project and didn't sold their gained knowledge to the Chinese afterwards

Lavi would've turned into something similar to the JAS Gripen.

 

[Jacop]

Why is Israel not opting for a new fighter jet?

With Kfir and Lavi she was well on her way. Lavi would have been a formidable competition for the F16

in the mid 1980s, Israel's defense budget was repeatedly cut, and the anticipated aircraft intake was curtailed accordingly. This resulted in the cancellation of the project.

 

[Nutuk]

That's the official version.

Reality was the US pressure, let's not fool each other

 

[Jacop]

That's the official version.

Reality was the US pressure, let's not fool each other

high probability that there are unexplained reasons in the background

 

[Yaacov]

That's the official version.

Reality was the US pressure, let's not fool each other

Certainly, C. Weinberger was able to exploit Israel's financial stresses at the time to shut down LAVI project. Either way, there's no use crying over spilled milk.

 

[Nutuk]

It's not about crying, it's about how the US prevents even her tightest ally.

That should be a lesson for us.