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Laser-based DIRCM is nothing new. If you increase the output power voila here is your laser weapon that can fry missiles.
That's easier said than done I presume...

I wonder if this concept somehow gets traction, would we see bigger planes with more payloads and enhanced-DIRCM point defense. I'm talking 747 big. More probably the jobs would be delegated and separated into a fleet but it's fun to think about a gigantic flying murder robot dominating the airspace.
 

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That's easier said than done I presume...

I wonder if this concept somehow gets traction, would we see bigger planes with more payloads and enhanced-DIRCM point defense. I'm talking 747 big. More probably the jobs would be delegated and separated into a fleet but it's fun to think about a gigantic flying murder robot dominating the airspace.
Nope i oversimplified things like it is easy to do but in reality creating x kw of laser beam for y second on an airborne vehicle is not easy but the main idea is simple enough.
 

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Laser-based DIRCM is nothing new. If you increase the output power voila here is your laser weapon that can fry missiles. It is easier said than done.
Destroying the missile is not as hard as it sounds. There is even a battery powered Turkish drone with ability to destroy bombs, household metal gas cylinders PKK uses. Modern DIRCM can focus its beam on the IR seeker or the control surfaces etc. So targeting isn't an issue either. It should have been more widespread in year 2024. But because America keeps her laser weapon tech top secret since Reagan days, we have to wait for THEM to bring up F-16 laser pods, to make most people even here realize it is not that hard at all.
 
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That's easier said than done I presume...

I wonder if this concept somehow gets traction, would we see bigger planes with more payloads and enhanced-DIRCM point defense. I'm talking 747 big. More probably the jobs would be delegated and separated into a fleet but it's fun to think about a gigantic flying murder robot dominating the airspace.


They did make something like that but they left the project. The problem is generating the power. But againg this was againg BM, compared to BM a2a missile are hittig a bullet with laser.

 

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Destroying the missile is not as hard as it sounds. There is even a battery powered Turkish drone with ability to destroy bombs, household metal gas cylinders PKK uses. Modern DIRCM can focus its beam on the IR seeker or the control surfaces etc. So targeting isn't an issue either. It should have been more widespread in year 2024. But because America keeps her laser weapon tech top secret since Reagan days, we have to wait for THEM to bring up F-16 laser pods, to make most people even here realize it is not that hard at all.
You're comparing apples to oranges when you compare using laser against a stationary simple canister vs using a laser from a moving plane against an even faster moving missile that is made from sterner stuff. The lower the output of the laser, the more time it needs on the target, the higher the output, the bulkier the generator has to be. There is a reason 300-500 kw laser all come in almost shipping container sized units.
 

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You're comparing apples to oranges when you compare using laser against a stationary simple canister vs using a laser from a moving plane against an even faster moving missile that is made from sterner stuff. The lower the output of the laser, the more time it needs on the target, the higher the output, the bulkier the generator has to be. There is a reason 300-500 kw laser all come in almost shipping container sized units.
When you use even a weak laser for a relatively much shorter period against a very sensitive IR seeker; You damage it. Therefore blind the missile. RF seeker ones require stronger lasers against their control surfaces.

Destructive laser DIRCM is already being done by Lockheed Martin in a relatively small pod and I already told you this. Making things smaller is how technology advances. People here either don't speak English or they can't understand what they read. How did that even get 3 likes?

"Not possible." is the knee jerk reaction of those without imagination. Almost anything that is possible can become reality for those with imagination and knowledge.
Convincing those without imagination however is impossible.
 
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When you use even a weak laser for a relatively much shorter period against a very sensitive IR seeker; You damage it. Therefore blind the missile. RF seeker ones require stronger lasers against their control surfaces.

Destructive laser DIRCM is already being done by Lockheed Martin in a relatively small pod and I already told you this. Making things smaller is how technology advances. People here either don't speak English or they can't understand what they read. How did that even get 3 likes?

"Not possible."
Classic Turkish knee jerk reaction to new things. This mentality has been the bane of Ottoman Empire and it still exists sadly. It is like talking to a wall. Nothing is possible if you ask these lazy, unimaginative, non-innovative people. Selcuk Bayraktar calls them TAKOZ!
First of all, pipe the attitude and name calling down lad. You said LM delivered those for F-16s when they haven't, they just talked about making it for their 6th gen plane. Where the fuck is your source on that delivery, eh?

Secondly, I didn't say it was "impossible", before talking about the proficiency of people in English improve your own reading comprehension. You said it existed today, I told you it doesn't in the form you talked about. Show me one current example of a laser strong enough to DESTROY a missile as you said that fits in a pod. Yıldırım works by blinding/jamming the infrared seekers, it does not destroy missiles as you claimed. You seem to have a problem with your definitions lad, or moving the goalposts after being proven wrong. They don't even categorize it as a weapon, it is a countermeasure system. Don't believe me, here is a direct quote from Aselsan:

"The system has been specifically designed to protect rotary wing aircrafts from IR missile attacks. Main mission of the system is to automatically counter infrared missile systems by detecting, tracking and jamming the threat by means of high-power laser beam under harsh environmental conditions."

There is no "kneejerk" reaction, what you said simply doesn't exist yet, outside of big units and I pointed that out. If you can't accept that and have to start attacking people, that is your problem.
 

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TAI received DOA and POA certificates by completing EASA's Part 21 regulations for its Özgür project. It is underlined again that 35 aircraft within the scope of the project will be delivered to the Air Force Command.

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Özgür I is only structural Upgrade?
Özgür I is an avionics program to modernize and nationalize various avionics of the F-16 Block 30, including the mission computer, national IFF and new MFDs. I believe there is a separate program running at the same time for structural modifications to increase service life of the aircraft. And Özgür II is also being worked on.
 

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There is no structural mod right now. That project is finished. TAI delivered all of the F-16 block 30s modernized under the structural modernization project.
 

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There is no structural mod right now. That project is finished. TAI delivered all of the F-16 block 30s modernized under the structural modernization project.
there is no news that structural modernization is finished
 

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Great News. So will F16 with ôzgür opdates participate in joint drills with friendly countries ?

Would be perfect scenario to test their capabilities.
 
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