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Some people were telling me this would never happen btw.

Instead of having Diyanet waste over a billion dollars in 6 months how about we pump that money into buying off politicians in the US and even going as far as collecting dirt on those who work with greek and armenian lobbies.

But nah we rather have Diyanet buy hundreds of S-Class cars and real estate in the "unbelievers" country USA.

Religious leaders regardless of which religion they follow preach about humbleness and modesty shouldnt be talking about israf or waste when they drive bmw and mercedes benz or have golden crowns or a golden pulpit like the pope.

They will tell you its wasteful to buy a car like a ferrari, bmw, mercedes or an alfa romeo while at the same time they drive mercs.

Why dont they drive the basic trim models instead of the 200k plus S class.

Not just the diyanet should have their toys taken away. The Politcians should also have their luxury toys taken away like like their cars, mansions and private jets.
 
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[Went through a 3-hour-long rabbit-hole regarding Israel's diamond trade; sharing the results here with you, the 3 hours is wasted but at least some people will read and learn something]

Diamonds are Israel's single biggest export item (the 13% figure below was 24% in 2016. Due to the factors mentioned below it seems, Israeli mining companies are maybe using transshipment or 3rd party countries or are not declaring numbers through confidentiality clauses; Around 13% share of Israel in world diamond exports suddenly falls to 8% in the same time-frame that U.S. sanctions it and UAE's share grows from 8% to 13%; seems the blood diamonds are being washed by the way of UAE; (https://www.aapeaceinstitute.org/la...-trade-reaches-1.75b-a-yearly-increase-of-163)

These numbers were around 50% for Israel at the turn of the century, so I suspect Israel losing 40% of its share at the same time that several small island nations have added to their share and India has increased its share massively cannot be explained away by Israel losing its supply, as none of these nations have mining endeavors in East Africa and Great Lakes Region. So my suspicion is Israel not only has retained but might have even increased its 50% share of Diamond (and many other associated minerals and gemstones) exports in the past two decades).

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U.S. sanctioned the diamond mining monopoly (monopoly rights were bought for 30 million dollars along with other deals for Cobalt and Copper mining) of Israeli billionaire Dan Getler 7 years ago, citing human rights violations then Trump reversed his own sanctions on the last days of his admin without public announcement; Biden admin reinstated them to then announce 3 months ago a "limited" easing of these sanctions.


This back & forth seems to be a result of conflict of interest and the divergence of Israeli and American positions regarding Joseph Kabila, the former president of Congo and the monopoly given to the Israeli firm by him and his father, and also Israel's anarchic opportunism regarding the blood diamond and other mining enterprises (Beny Steinmetz once Israel's richest man and Soros' old partner has sevral iron and other metal mines all over the region) through whatever means possible, working with all sides of the conflict and the terrorist groups to sell them weapons (mostly in partnership with Russia through Israeli "King of Diamonds" Lev Leviev, a very close friend of Putin, another source of disputes with U.S. deep state's NATO faction), destabilizing the region and facilitating all the atrocities that have happened in the Great Lakes Region.


Regarding the cold war struggle for Angola between U.S. and Soviets, an excerpt from this article (https://www.the7eye.org.il/517733) is interesting:

From the telegrams it appears that, unlike the US, Israel showed flexibility and was not interested in the global struggle between the West block and the Soviet block or the ideology of the Angolan liberation movements, but mainly if the specific movement was willing to build relations with it in contrast to the position of the Arab states. Israel held talks with all the liberation movements and each time chose to concentrate its support for the one that it identified as having the chance to prevail.

Then, there's the Kimberley Process Certification Scheme (KPCS) which according to their own website here

"started when Southern African diamond-producing states met in Kimberley, South Africa, in May 2000, to discuss ways to stop the trade in ‘conflict diamonds' and ensure that diamond purchases were not financing violence by rebel movements and their allies seeking to undermine legitimate governments."

The parties to this certification scheme are the heirs to the Cecil Rhoades/Rothschild/De Beers fortune and Israel was the closest ally of South Africa's apartheid regime and has organic ties to the Belgian and U.K. centers of Diamond trade. But even then, there was an attempt to include human rights violations included in the definiton of this certification scheme, but the move was blocked by Israeli Diamond Exchange (IDE) and its president Shmuel Schnitzer (Dan Getler's uncle), citing here that "it could be disastrous to trading centers, and especially to Israel".

The hilarious thing is that 90% (90% because althought 80% of diamond is used in industry, 90% of revenue comes from jewellery sales) of this 50 billion $ industry for Israel which fuels civil wars and genocides all over Africa is based on a marketing ploy to create a fake tradition of buying diamonds for engagement rings and the diamond cartel keeps prices high through artificial scarcity. Watch here (English subtitles are available but the video is in Turkish):

 

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I went through it all and while its interesting, I dont see the connection to the thread and Turkey. Care to explain / give us context? @Rooxbar
 

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I went through it all and while its interesting, I dont see the connection to the thread and Turkey. Care to explain / give us context? @Rooxbar
The relevance is implicit (just like my last post about Israel buying primary elections in U.S.); I can edit and make it explicit if you want.
 

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The relevance is implicit (just like my last post about Israel buying primary elections in U.S.); I can edit and make it explicit if you want.
Turkey should consider investing in lab grown diamonds, the profits are good, its something turkey could easily do with investments, but not sure if its a energy hungry process, also helps taking away revenue from the antichrists state.
 

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The relevance is implicit (just like my last post about Israel buying primary elections in U.S.); I can edit and make it explicit if you want.

Maybe I'm to slow to get it, I really mean it. Please tell me.
Are you suggesting we do similar or what?
 

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Maybe I'm to slow to get it, I really mean it. Please tell me.
Are you suggesting we do similar or what?
I mentioned in my post about dem primaries that AIPAC spent 10 million dollars on one campaign to flip a seat from pro-Palestinian to pro-Israeli. 10 million might not sound much, but that was the second most expensive primary.

A similar point was mentioned in Dan Getler's case, in which through a friendship he cultivated over the years with Congo's president's son (by buying him expensive stuff mostly), he got to get a concession for monopoly rights for Congo's diamond mines in his father's time and then the son became president. He bought the concessions for 30 million dollars.

These relations are more fragile than most people think. Anybody who delves into details of how these relationships are maintained and can be damaged and disrupted over the years will see that on the ground realities are open to manipulation and disruption. The least you can do is to look into it.

The type of direct confrontation and domestic use of propaganda which is utilized by the ruling party has a very domestic focus, nevertheless it doesn't mean that with a rational admin we'd see eye to eye with Israel or the Jewish lobby in Israel, esp. since the outlooks and analysis of the opposing side has already shifted dramatically after the Islamists started to play with an open hand, divulging their intentions and letting passion betray strategy. As opposed to this approach, a China that everyone saw was advancing in all fronts since 90s, kept increases in military spending and confrontation with the empire to a minimum, instead using cordial relations and cooperative posturing to infiltrate WTO, WHO, World Bank, ITU, ICAO, RFMOs, ISA and basically any organization worth their salt. This was a patient 20 year project that Xi Jinping disrupted. Maybe the analysis was it was time to break, maybe he put his foot down based on personal preferences. Only history can judge if it was a prudent decision, but no one can dispute that what came before was effective and made possible any more assertive approaches that may have followed.

Deng Xiaoping's maxim "lie low, hide your capabilities and bide your time" is not available to us due to hasty and childish approaches of the past 15 years. Only thing we can do in the light of Wolfowitz doctrine is look into disrupting the Israeli influence in the places we can, gaining trump cards behind the scene to be able to use in bilateral relations. As radicalization of Israeli body politic seems destined to increase in the coming decades, ceteris paribus regarding their level of influence over U.S. politicians, we're going to have a hard time with our efforts to gain the upper hand in terms of air force in the region, and I predict much more disruptions to come, unless we can play the old NATO guard in pentagon against the state department and the parts where Jewish influence reigns supreme.
 

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For the geniuses in the forum who criticised me for saying that the PKK was funded and created by America to destabilise Turkey, Iraq, and Syria in order for the US to not only crush any competitors to the Jewish/Zionist dreams but also to steal their resources

I beg the ppl to watch this video and learn how the USA arms kurdish minorities to wreack havoc

 

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For the geniuses in the forum who criticised me for saying that the PKK was funded and created by America to destabilise Turkey, Iraq, and Syria in order for the US to not only crush any competitors to the Jewish/Zionist dreams but also to steal their resources

I beg the ppl to watch this video and learn how the USA arms kurdish minorities to wreack havoc

You are right on saying that US supported and funded PKK, but how exactly the US created the PKK? These claims as explained before are factually wrong and if you repeat this even 20 more times it will not change the truth. I can tell you what was created and funded by the US which aggravated the conflict and did even worst damage to Turkiye than the PKK.

The US created an funded the ultra-nationalist death squads and the Gladio wing within the State that are responsible for the small quantity of truth in the PKK's rhetoric and tales of genocide on the Kurds. This anti-communist/counter-gerilla Gladio evolved into something else and we saw what it evolved into in the night of 15th of July. To be more accurate some of us and similarly minded people saw what Gladio evolved into way back in time, but somehow an unfortunate fate followed such people.

The relationship between the US and the PKK is more complicated than you think. They have their reasons to currently support the PKK and it is expected for them to do it. There is no need to factually change what it is so we can understand who is our friend and who is our foe.

The US may come, Russia may come, China may come and they can create PKP,MSK,SJG,SJW and whatever thing comes to your mind, but the important part is they will not succeed.
 

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You are right on saying that US supported and funded PKK, but how exactly the US created the PKK? These claims as explained before are factually wrong and if you repeat this even 20 more times it will not change the truth. I can tell you what was created and funded by the US which aggravated the conflict and did even worst damage to Turkiye than the PKK.

The US created an funded the ultra-nationalist death squads and the Gladio wing within the State that are responsible for the small quantity of truth in the PKK's rhetoric and tales of genocide on the Kurds. This anti-communist/counter-gerilla Gladio evolved into something else and we saw what it evolved into in the night of 15th of July. To be more accurate some of us and similarly minded people saw what Gladio evolved into way back in time, but somehow an unfortunate fate followed such people.

The relationship between the US and the PKK is more complicated than you think. They have their reasons to currently support the PKK and it is expected for them to do it. There is no need to factually change what it is so we can understand who is our friend and who is our foe.

The US may come, Russia may come, China may come and they can create PKP,MSK,SJG,SJW and whatever thing comes to your mind, but the important part is they will not succeed.
If my understanding of the kurdish issue is right, then you are partially wrong

The PKK, in 1991, was officially founded as a political entity that envisioned the formation of Kurdistan on Turkish and other lands by force/military intervention. Such an entity couldnt have been formed without arming, training, finance, and logistics which has all been supplied by the USA; thus, making the USA its maker

From my understanding, it seems that you are talking about the pre-1991 period when those who announced the creation of the PKK like Ocalan was involved in political turmoil with the Turkish state in different forms albeit non-violent in nature.

When I say the US made the PKK; I meant that it was the US who convinced them, radicalised them, and encouraged them to hold a gun and shoot at other soldiers/citizens within the Turkish state which began the period of real havoc and actual blood being spilled as explained in the video shared before

According to Wikipedia, in pre 1991, core PKK members like Ocalan mainly established multiple student organisations that aimed in instilling the false belief that Turks were oppressing kurds. While it was certainly radicalising the minorities in Turkey, it was peaceful in nature with every time the govt closes such institutions, ppl like Ocalan just creates a new one
 

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If my understanding of the kurdish issue is right, then you are partially wrong

The PKK, in 1991, was officially founded as a political entity that envisioned the formation of Kurdistan on Turkish and other lands by force/military intervention. Such an entity couldnt have been formed without arming, training, finance, and logistics which has all been supplied by the USA; thus, making the USA its maker

From my understanding, it seems that you are talking about the pre-1991 period when those who announced the creation of the PKK like Ocalan was involved in political turmoil with the Turkish state in different forms albeit non-violent in nature.

When I say the US made the PKK; I meant that it was the US who convinced them, radicalised them, and encouraged them to hold a gun and shoot at other soldiers/citizens within the Turkish state which began the period of real havoc and actual blood being spilled as explained in the video shared before

According to Wikipedia, in pre 1991, core PKK members like Ocalan mainly established multiple student organisations that aimed in instilling the false belief that Turks were oppressing kurds. While it was certainly radicalising the minorities in Turkey, it was peaceful in nature with every time the govt closes such institutions, ppl like Ocalan just creates a new one
the pkk started out as an armed marxist grouping which sought to use terrorism as a tool to achieve their political goals. They are ideological extremists and their Ideology says its ok to use force to achieve said Ideologies supremacy. If anything said Ideology sees the US as an enemy as well. They only became useful to the US as a proxy, once there was no more soviet competition in the ME and funding islamists backfired. So the next step was simply to make use of the preexisting tribalistic and ideological feuds in the region. And what better than a minority which is at odds with others on both ethnic and ideological grounds?
 

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If my understanding of the kurdish issue is right, then you are partially wrong

The PKK, in 1991, was officially founded as a political entity that envisioned the formation of Kurdistan on Turkish and other lands by force/military intervention. Such an entity couldnt have been formed without arming, training, finance, and logistics which has all been supplied by the USA; thus, making the USA its maker

From my understanding, it seems that you are talking about the pre-1991 period when those who announced the creation of the PKK like Ocalan was involved in political turmoil with the Turkish state in different forms albeit non-violent in nature.

When I say the US made the PKK; I meant that it was the US who convinced them, radicalised them, and encouraged them to hold a gun and shoot at other soldiers/citizens within the Turkish state which began the period of real havoc and actual blood being spilled as explained in the video shared before

According to Wikipedia, in pre 1991, core PKK members like Ocalan mainly established multiple student organisations that aimed in instilling the false belief that Turks were oppressing kurds. While it was certainly radicalising the minorities in Turkey, it was peaceful in nature with every time the govt closes such institutions, ppl like Ocalan just creates a new one
You are mixing Soviets with USA.
 

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Is this new? I thought this was from a few years ago.

Anyway, respect for those guys to harrass and attack US pedophilian and childkilling marines. Those marines are no hair better than those Syrian and Afghan criminals coming to our country.

Remember the Abu Grayb prison.
If you want to harm murderous USA, fine go ahead but use your brain on how to achieve this. Hurting an individual soldier is pointless and acts only as a fuel to anti-turkish sediments. If you want to go after an individual soldier then arrest him for the murder of the kids if he was involved in it. But better yet, become a powerfull and independent country to hurt on a strategic level. For example, stop using the dollar.
 

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The Turkish Youth Union put a sack on the US soldier on duty on the USS Wasp ship anchored in the port of Izmir.
and just when trump coming to office these stupid people do this im sure greek armeni and and jewish lobby will have a field day with this video in congress

idiots what did they achieved with this ??? the matters if forgien polices should not be decided with mobs in street but with forgien ministary MIT and chief of general staff. idiots
 

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You are 100% right to the bottom.

But we all know our President cant do anything to them.

So sometimes if your country cant do anything, its good to take little action as people.

You cant beat the USA with this, but at least for a little time those US personnel know they are not safe in Turkey.

Like those Israeli tourists and sport clubs know they are not safe.
Congratulations, you just demolished the entire Turkish tourism industry.
 

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Congratulations, you just demolished the entire Turkish tourism industry.

The tourism industry was destroyed years ago thanks to our cabdrivers, Kurdish hotel-lords and scamming restaurant owners (1200 lira for 2 cups of juice for example or 900 lira for a lahmacun) and the Youtube floggers who filmed and reported this.
 

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The tourism industry was destroyed years ago thanks to our cabdrivers, Kurdish hotel-lords and scamming restaurant owners (1200 lira for 2 cups of juice for example or 900 lira for a lahmacun) and the Youtube floggers who filmed and reported this.
This is seriously underreported because talking about kurdish gangs dominating coastal cities is 'racist'. I expect tourism to tank within 5 years because no one will take their businesses and exile them off like we did in 1999. Year 2000 is still legendary in tourism industry, because state literally cleared this problem and it was like new car smell.
 

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These stupid morons are an embarrassment for the entire country.

Edit: just for clarification, I'm talking about the US soldier thing.
 

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