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Just as Hakan Fidan said on numerous occasions; "Regardless of the numerous reasons the EU states for not accepting Turkey into the EU such as the rule of law etc; As long as Turkey is a muslim nation, the EU will never accept it into its ranks no matter what it does"


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Turkey's EU accession remains far off. ''The differences in history, culture, and religion play an important role in Europe.''

 

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And what’s new about that? That is precisely why Turkey should strategically turn its attention a little more towards the East and Far East, Nord and South – for example, towards BRICS+, the Turkic States, the Middle East, Africa, Asia and so on – and further diversify its economy and trade; at present, the ratio stands at 38% Europe and 62% the rest of the World.

The combined total trade volume highlights the long-term trend most clearly: around the year 2000, the ratio between EU trade and the rest of the world was exactly half-and-half (50:50). Since then, this ratio has steadily shifted toward roughly 38% EU to 62% rest of the world.

YearGlobal Total Volume ($ Bln)EU Share (%)Rest of the World (%)Global Total (%)
200082.350.0 %50.0 %100 %
2005190.349.5 %50.5 %100 %
2010299.441.7 %58.3 %100 %
2015351.040.7 %59.3 %100 %
2020388.936.8 %63.2 %100 %
2025638.938.5 %61.5 %100 %

The aim should be to increase the volume of trade with Europe even further, whilst at the same time reducing the percentage ratio to 33-34% for Europe and increasing it to 66-67% for the rest of the world.
From then on, Europe will come to us and knock on our door; from then on, they will be downgraded strategically as Customers.
 

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And what’s new about that? That is precisely why Turkey should strategically turn its attention a little more towards the East and Far East, Nord and South – for example, towards BRICS+, the Turkic States, the Middle East, Africa, Asia and so on – and further diversify its economy and trade; at present, the ratio stands at 38% Europe and 62% the rest of the World.

The combined total trade volume highlights the long-term trend most clearly: around the year 2000, the ratio between EU trade and the rest of the world was exactly half-and-half (50:50). Since then, this ratio has steadily shifted toward roughly 38% EU to 62% rest of the world.

YearGlobal Total Volume ($ Bln)EU Share (%)Rest of the World (%)Global Total (%)
200082.350.0 %50.0 %100 %
2005190.349.5 %50.5 %100 %
2010299.441.7 %58.3 %100 %
2015351.040.7 %59.3 %100 %
2020388.936.8 %63.2 %100 %
2025638.938.5 %61.5 %100 %

The aim should be to increase the volume of trade with Europe even further, whilst at the same time reducing the percentage ratio to 33-34% for Europe and increasing it to 66-67% for the rest of the world.
From then on, Europe will come to us and knock on our door; from then on, they will be downgraded strategically as Customers.
I want nothing to do with BRICs.
If I had to choose between BRICs and EU. the chose is obvious. And I cannot be the only one feeling that way.
And being in EU has nothing to do with Islam. France and Germany just don't want another big nation inside taking their limelight.
Best choice is staying out of EU like the UK.
 

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This certainly has something to do with Islam (whether moderate or conservative); with a population of 88 million, Turkey has more seats in the European Parliament than Germany. In Germany, Turks are viewed as a ‘fifth column’ (Threat) and regarded as a major problem in future think-tank papers, which is why they are now increasingly being excluded from key positions in logistics, at airports, in the police force, in the civil service, and so on. All it takes is a Turkish name and the alarm bells start ringing; I can already see it at my work (Company) here, where people are being overlooked and increasingly sidelined. I was born in Germany and work and live in Germany, but I’m here because of the work and money; otherwise I have no feelings whatsoever for Germany – only people who have lived in Germany from the start know the difference, and from Germany you get neither appreciation nor respect, because you’re a ‘cumin Turk’/Kurd or whatever. It may be that the East isn’t ideal, but it’s far more honest than the West; when you see how underhand the states are, at least you know it from the outset and always make provisions like Plan B, C and so on. And yet you’re not alone; there are still cultural ties, be it culture, religion or social life. Even if you treat them really well, they’d treat you like dirt as a country. If Turkey were to be attacked by Israel, France and Greece tomorrow, would officially condemn it from Europe – but behind the scenes they’d be cheering!

That is also true: economic and trade relations with Europe are fine; money has always been the right lubricant for stabilising relations, but culturally speaking, we should keep our distance and cease all further ties, instead cooperating with those countries economically on a purely transactional basis.
I’m not saying that the East is the future of Turkey, but that you should have a foot in both camps in East und West.
 
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This certainly has something to do with Islam (whether moderate or conservative); with a population of 88 million, Turkey has more seats in the European Parliament than Germany. In Germany, Turks are viewed as a ‘fifth column’ (Threat) and regarded as a major problem in future think-tank papers, which is why they are now increasingly being excluded from key positions in logistics, at airports, in the police force, in the civil service, and so on. All it takes is a Turkish name and the alarm bells start ringing; I can already see it at my work (Company) here, where people are being overlooked and increasingly sidelined. I was born in Germany and work and live in Germany, but I’m here because of the work and money; otherwise I have no feelings whatsoever for Germany – only people who have lived in Germany from the start know the difference, and from Germany you get neither appreciation nor respect, because you’re a ‘cumin Turk’/Kurd or whatever. It may be that the East isn’t ideal, but it’s far more honest than the West; when you see how underhand the states are, at least you know it from the outset and always make provisions like Plan B, C and so on. And yet you’re not alone; there are still cultural ties, be it culture, religion or social life. Even if you treat them really well, they’d treat you like dirt as a country. If Turkey were to be attacked by Israel, France and Greece tomorrow, would officially condemn it from Europe – but behind the scenes they’d be cheering!

That is also true: economic and trade relations with Europe are fine; money has always been the right lubricant for stabilising relations, but culturally speaking, we should keep our distance and cease all further ties, instead cooperating with those countries economically on a purely transactional basis.
I’m not saying that the East is the future of Turkey, but that you should have a foot in both camps in East und West.

The difference in religion might be an issue at first but in reality it has nothing to do with it. As you said in your post, if Turkiye ever joins the EU, the country would have the most seats in the parliament due to it being the most populated country. But the other most important thing is that the borders of the union would then be extented all the way to Syria, Iran, Irak… A big no no for the majority of people here.
 

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The difference in religion might be an issue at first but in reality it has nothing to do with it. As you said in your post, if Turkiye ever joins the EU, the country would have the most seats in the parliament due to it being the most populated country. But the other most important thing is that the borders of the union would then be extented all the way to Syria, Iran, Irak… A big no no for the majority of people here.
It has almost everything to do with religion.
That's is pretty clear. Let me not go into polemics, they don't like me at all though I am European
 

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It has almost everything to do with religion.
That's is pretty clear. Let me not go into polemics, they don't like me at all though I am European

There will always be people that will be racist, unfortunately, but I don’t think that religion plays a role here. Even if Turkiye would be Christian, it is highly unlikely that the country would be allowed into the Union, mostly for the reasons I wrote in my previous post and the fact that Europe always used Turkiye as a buffer zone, creating a barrier to delimit themselves from the M-E. I think you understand the implication that would mean for the EU if Turkiye joins it. Even Putin had interest in a hypothetical adhesion of Russia when he took power in the early 2000’s. I think you know the result…
 

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There will always be people that will be racist, unfortunately, but I don’t think that religion plays a role here. Even if Turkiye would be Christian, it is highly unlikely that the country would be allowed into the Union, mostly for the reasons I wrote in my previous post and the fact that Europe always used Turkiye as a buffer zone, creating a barrier to delimit themselves from the M-E. I think you understand the implication that would mean for the EU if Turkiye joins it. Even Putin had interest in a hypothetical adhesion of Russia when he took power in the early 2000’s. I think you know the result…
They don't like me and I am white, so it's not that religion doesn't play the role if not decisive.
If Turkey was a Christian country I think that Turkey would be a member.
In fact, even thing which do not require of someone being a part of EU are not available for Turkiye.
Even the thing which would be very beneficial for Europe are not being done with Turkiye.
Believe me , even now if it possible, they would rather join with the Russians. Fortunately, for time being it doesn't work.
That's how it has always been and how it will be in the future .
Do you understand that the great deal of stuff that these people do are against their interests? Let alone Turkiye
I am writing this and my position isn't totally Anti European, it is just anti this rubbish.
 

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Unfortunately Tengrism couldn't survive the rise of Abrahmic religions. And thus the majority of Turks either got assimilated into Christian nations or became culturally Arab/Persian.

If we didn't have Atatürk I fear we would have disintegrated completely.
 

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I don't know if this is the right thread for this but I really wanna hear people's opinion about it

Prof. Menachem Lorberbaum from Tel Aviv University claimed that they have utilized Turkey's secular Turkish and Kurdish segments in every field.
Lorberbaum stated that Turkey's secularization was a successful project they had designed decades ago with their Sabbatean relatives.
He asserted that the currents of nationalization, nationalism, and rising racism in the country were their own handiwork. He argued that with this strategy, society was detached from its Roma-Ottoman mindset and directed solely toward Central Asia.
The professor finally expressed that this social engineering project they implemented had also achieved partial success in Pakistan.

 

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Prof. Menachem Lorberbaum from Tel Aviv University claimed that they have utilized Turkey's secular Turkish and Kurdish segments in every field.
Lorberbaum stated that Turkey's secularization was a successful project they had designed decades ago with their Sabbatean relatives.
He asserted that the currents of nationalization, nationalism, and rising racism in the country were their own handiwork. He argued that with this strategy, society was detached from its Roma-Ottoman mindset and directed solely toward Central Asia.
The professor finally expressed that this social engineering project they implemented had also achieved partial success in Pakistan.


You always have to be careful with these guys, they are master manipulators and relentless liars. FETO, in fact pretty much all western backed islamists worked to attack secularism. If secularism was bad for Turkiye, the american owned islamists wouldn't work to remove it from Turkiye. Its the same reason Tom Barrack openly says the nation state is bad for Turkiye and its better to go back to the Ottoman way. What this really means if for Turks to give autonomy to minorities, to weaken the Turkish state to the benefit of the americans, divide and conquer.

Once you remove secularism within Turkiye, the differences between the various peoples will only intensify and make the soil more fertile for division and conflict.

I've visited Turkiye many times, secularism is fine. The majority of people are muslim and have no issues practicing their religion. A secular nation also had no problems voting in an Islamist party for the past 20 years.

When it comes to Turkiye they attack us on being Turks, they attack us on looking white, they attack us on being secular, they attack us from every single direction. The intention is to destabilise us, to undermine us. Because the Turk is the only real challenge to Zionism in the region.

Also keep in mind the zionist agenda is show all Muslims as radical and extreme, turn Turkiye into an islamist caliphate and they will have an easy day raising a new crusade against Turkiye.

The best thing for Turkiye would be to entirely uphold the secular system while having a government that conforms to traditional Turkish/Muslim values.
 

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Prof. Menachem Lorberbaum from Tel Aviv University claimed that they have utilized Turkey's secular Turkish and Kurdish segments in every field.
Lorberbaum stated that Turkey's secularization was a successful project they had designed decades ago with their Sabbatean relatives.
He asserted that the currents of nationalization, nationalism, and rising racism in the country were their own handiwork. He argued that with this strategy, society was detached from its Roma-Ottoman mindset and directed solely toward Central Asia.
The professor finally expressed that this social engineering project they implemented had also achieved partial success in Pakistan.


I don't buy any of this, we saw a similar thing in the Epstein files, all just manipulation of facts.

The CIA has backed Islamists in Türkiye for decades, Israel literally backed Islamists against secular Palestinian resistance because it knew the latter would be a much bigger problem.

Israel doesn't want to be neighbors with Japan, Germany or South Korea. It wants to be neighbors with Libya, Afghanistan or Somalia. Competent neighbors are a threat.
 

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Prof. Menachem Lorberbaum from Tel Aviv University claimed that they have utilized Turkey's secular Turkish and Kurdish segments in every field.
Lorberbaum stated that Turkey's secularization was a successful project they had designed decades ago with their Sabbatean relatives.
He asserted that the currents of nationalization, nationalism, and rising racism in the country were their own handiwork. He argued that with this strategy, society was detached from its Roma-Ottoman mindset and directed solely toward Central Asia.
The professor finally expressed that this social engineering project they implemented had also achieved partial success in Pakistan.

AI slop account, AI slop tweet. Real Lorberbaum is a professor of philosophy and there's no such statement out there.
 

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The CIA has backed Islamists in Türkiye for decades, Israel literally backed Islamists against secular Palestinian resistance because it knew the latter would be a much bigger problem.

Israel doesn't want to be neighbors with Japan, Germany or South Korea. It wants to be neighbors with Libya, Afghanistan or Somalia.
Which Islamists did the CIA back in Türkiye? (FETÖ wasn't "Islamist") The same CIA supported many other political factions in Türkiye such as Ülkücüs. Does that mean the USA wants Türkiye to be ruled by the nationalists? No, they just don't put all their eggs in one basket and they need influence on various groups to have more control over the country.

Israel supported Hamas financially just to cause friction within the Palestinian resistance. Now, there's a huge backlash against this policy by the Israelİ public as those "Islamists" are uncontrollable and they are the ones that are actually resisting and not the secular PLO.

Israel doesn't want to be neighbours with the "Islamists" as they are doing everything they can to keep Muslim Brothehood away from power in the Arab countries. They supported the coup against Morsi in Egypt and all the Western/Zionist puppets in the region declared the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization.

They want their enemies (Muslims) to be divided. "Islamism" is all about uniting the Muslims. In what mind Israel would like to have neighbours that are trying to unite?

Israel doesn't want to be neighbors with Japan, Germany or South Korea. Competent neighbors are a threat.
Yes, Israel wants to be neighbours with non-Islamist corrupt dictatorships and monarchies such as today's Egypt and Jordan. They feel threatened by the new Syria and Türkiye.

I don't understand what is preventing people from seeing this. Wasn't Naftali Bennett clear enough when he declared Türkiye as the next Iran for being an "Islamist" regime that is establishing a Sunni axis?
 
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It is surprising how people are rigid in their positions. Mostly it is always in deductive manner.
" I believe this and that and I will use facts or conjectures to prove that this and that are bad or good"
As far as Palestinian resistance goes, a long ago extreme left like Georges Habash , Abu Nidal , Carlos and even socialist Lebanese Waleed Jumblat were truly opponents of Israel. There wasn't much of Islamic resistance
Although, they were sincere in their fight that were under influence from kind of people like Chomsky, for example. Chomsky has a protege like Edward Said, no?
I have always known what kind of scum and gatekeeper,Chomsky and his ilk are. Hence in the course of time, the old guard died out and people like Palestinian Authority or Dahlan came about.
Whether Hamas had connection to Israel is besides the point. Now , definitely they are not. I understand that they are very stupid and I wrote some time ago that if it is in my powers I would Court martial them.
I also believe that the real Islamist died out with the Ottoman Empire, hence I am not secularist but I am not Islamist either.
To be Islamist with whom exactly?
Weather this report which Lool put up here is genuine or not per ce , is immaterial. I guess that we all know by now what they think. And knowing the Jewery well, no one likes to brag like they do. So I will talk this proffers words as true, weather he said it or not. Because over the years, Jews said the same thing over and over again.
 

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I believe whatever system Turkiye uses it won't be to anyone's pleasure . The meat existence of it all , bothers them for the various reasons.
Ottoman Empire was successor of the Roman Empire and it ruled in similar ways. What allegedly, " Them" want is recreation of the fakery of that Idea. They don't have decency nor intellect to rule like the Sublime State did .
Hell, they are not even able to take a lesson from Atatürk, as one Englishman said " Unfortunately, we didn't take the lesson from Atatürk, which is how to exist without the Empire".
Yes , Jews are creating psychosis among many and it is not just the Jewery.
I have noticed a long ago that many people are hiding behind " Nationalism" or " Atatürk idea" . Simple to see , really. Sometimes they say such things that Enver Pasha or Fevzi Pasha would hang them and someone can't be bigger nationalist then them.
Those people are going to the same direction like Iranian opposition.
As you can see , Iranian opposition is so dumb and nasty that they can't see that the Mullahs are biggest Iranian Nationalists.
Particularly, the stupid sort of nostalgia is always used for the purpose of undermining the structure. It starts from that then it becomes something more sinister. I have seen it all in Bosnia, unfortunately I really have.
So , try to find something in common with your opposition, wether Islamist or Secularist , as long as it is beneficial.
Some arguments will always remain but the state must be protected. Some consensus of the willing must be found.
As anecdote, my close friend, studied in Turkey and then in Colombia university. It was in 90s
He is secularist true and true. He has a lot of connections in USA and elsewhere. His phone book consists of the names that all of you here heard, even Olmert etc.
But, he is great patriot and he does always what is in interest of Turkiye and Bosnia. I absolutely love the guy. I know he skipped the war ( a bit young) , he has totally opposing views to mine. I wouldn't be surprised if he is a Mason but he is one of at the end of the day. Yes , even such person , prefers Erdogan to CHP.
So , forget the decoys that Jews left in Turkiye and elsewhere, coocoo egg.
If you carry on , you will be always 30 years behind.
 

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Israel doesn't want to be neighbours with the "Islamists" as they are doing everything they can to keep Muslim Brothehood away from power in the Arab countries. They supported the coup against Morsi in Egypt and all the Western/Zionist puppets in the region declared the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization.
Israel doesn't give a shit about Arab dictators lol, especially after the fall of Assad, Ba'athism is long dead, plus it was never built on solid ground. But Israel still preferred to get rid of Assad as he was aligned with Iran and Russia, and ultimately the new Syrian leader is US puppet, I'm tired of people suggesting otherwise.

If tomorrow Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations truly worked together and were a threat, suddenly you'd see Islamist uprisings in all these countries.

The fact is that Arab nations are utterly incompetent, they don't pose a real threat. It doesn't necessarily matter if they're Islamist or not. Sisi is preferred as he plays well with the US/Israel and thus allows for western controlled trade through the Suez Canal.

Iran and Türkiye on the other hand are two major non-Arab states that completely threaten the order set up in the middle east.

Arab nationalism means nothing, thus can't pose a real threat. Persian and Turkish nationalism poses a real threat. They're two unique cultures sitting on the edge of the middle east that can exert pressure across the whole region.

Iran was handicapped by a US sponsored coup that put a complete buffoon in power. Then the UK and France gave Khammeni full support.

"France's Role

Safe Haven: In October 1978, Khomeini relocated to the Paris suburb of Neauphle-le-Château. Because Iranians did not require visas to enter France at the time, and because France offered freedom of expression, he was provided a neutral, international platform from which to broadcast his message. [1, 2, 3]Media and Communication: The French telephone and media infrastructure allowed Khomeini to easily call contacts in Iran and record speeches on cassette tapes, which were then copied and distributed across the country. [1, 2]Intellectual Support: Many left-wing French intellectuals and media initially hailed Khomeini as a revolutionary liberator. [1, 2]

The UK's Role

Intelligence and Strategy: British and American intelligence services lost faith in the Shah to protect Western interests. The UK supported diplomatic efforts to transition power away from the Shah and quietly accommodated the rising theocratic movement. [1, 2, 3]Post-Revolution Alignment: Declassified files have shown that in the early 1980s, British intelligence (MI6) even provided Khomeini's regime with lists of suspected Soviet agents in Iran. This information was used by the new Islamic government to eliminate left-wing political rivals, a move the UK tolerated in hopes of currying favor with the new regime. [1]"





The western support for Islamists is clear as day and the 2 biggest targets all along have been Iran and Türkiye. Sick and tired of people pretending otherwise.
 

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