Greece Navy Greek FDI HN frigates & Gowind class light frigates Programs

[Akritas]

The SCALP-EGs carried by the Mirage 2000 of the Hellenic Air Force have a range of 300 kilometers and not 560 kilometers. The scope of SCALP-EG varies depending on the date of acquisition and what conversions the country has paid to it. For example, the United Kingdom has a SCALP-EG with a range of 700-1000 km. Obviously there have been construction modifications by Bae Systems.

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The mentioned range is the typical, but the specific range changes under some circumstances (e.g. by reducing the size of the payload compartment and placing an additional fuel tank in the available volume or the satellite guidance .
RAF speaks for 300 n.m. (560 km)

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RAF - Storm Shadow

 

[Akritas]

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[CEZAYIRLI]

Greece and France have reached an agreement for the supply of French FDI frigates and Gowind-class corvettes for the Hellenic Navy, Kathimerini understands.
The deal, which will include a clause on mutual defense assistance, is expected to be announced Tuesday. No more details were immediately available about the agreement.
Asked about the deal, a spokesman for the Greek government said, “have some patience.”
Foreign Minister Nikos Dendias and Defense Minister Nikos Panagiotopoulos are expected to sign the deal in Paris Tuesday.
Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis, on his way back from the UN general assembly in New York, and French President Emmanuel Macron were to meet in the French capital later Monday.
Greece has already agreed to buy 24 Rafale warplanes from French planemaker Dassault Aviation, 12 of them used.

France to supply frigates, corvettes for Greek navy | eKathimerini.com

Greece and France have reached an agreement for the supply of French FDI frigates and Gowind-class corvettes for the Hellenic Navy, Kathimerini understands.

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The Greeks wasting their money on French junk.

 

[Akritas]

The Greeks wasting their money on French junk.

Junk the only 5th generation of combat ship ?
Which frigate is not.....junk?
Anyway, FDI is the first digital frigate, integrates latest-generation systems( such as Sea Fire, Sentinel and Canto) and of course the FDI HN will have high level capabilities in anti-air, anti-surface, anti-submarine and asymmetric warfare domains.

 

[Rodeo]

Junk the only 5th generation of combat ship ?
Which frigate is not.....junk?
Anyway, FDI is the first digital frigate, integrates latest-generation systems( such as Sea Fire, Sentinel and Canto) and of course the FDI HN will have high level capabilities in anti-air, anti-surface, anti-submarine and asymmetric warfare domains.

You know.. when you take pride in the stuff you bought, you reduce yourself to some gulf arab states. An incompetent, inadequate country. It doesn't look good for Greece and it's certainly not sustainable. When we spend on military we develop stuff and make profit on them. But what you do is just buying and that make sure Turkish defense sector is fully funded for the next few decades regardless of the ruling party. The nationalists in Turkey should be grateful for Greek foreign policy.

 

[Foulgrim]

The Greeks wasting their money on French junk.

The FDI HN frigate is a technological achievement of shipbuilding! The FDI HN may not be Sigma 11515 or Bergamini class in terms of Anti-Submarine Warfare capabilities but they do a very good job.

 

[Nutuk]

The FDI is indeed a nice good frigate, and it should! For the price they ask for an FDI it should be a damn good frigate, it is expensive to say it softly.

The term "digital frigate" is a nice sales term of course, which modern frigate nowadays is not digital? The French use the term digital to underline the netcentric capabilities and our I-class does not under to that.

The problem with the Greek navy is that she cannot maintain the same standards over the whole navy. You will get 3 capable netcentric frigates but what about the rest of your fleet? Nada!

Turkey works different in that respect, even our old upgraded Perry class frigates have the GENESIS battle management system. TN is spreading the netcentric capabilities over the whole fleet. And these netcentric capabilities do not only stop at ships, also our drones, aircraft etc. are taken up in the netcentric structures. For Greece it is very difficult to maintain that level over her force structures, cos Greece is buying from here, from there, get donated vehicles and you cannot have that same netcentric level in which all units can participate.

 

[Nilgiri]

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A very quality platform.

Greece has a solid military-tech partner in France in general.

 

[Akritas]

The FDI is indeed a nice good frigate, and it should! For the price they ask for an FDI it should be a damn good frigate, it is expensive to say it softly.

The term "digital frigate" is a nice sales term of course, which modern frigate nowadays is not digital? The French use the term digital to underline the netcentric capabilities and our I-class does not under to that.

The problem with the Greek navy is that she cannot maintain the same standards over the whole navy. You will get 3 capable netcentric frigates but what about the rest of your fleet? Nada!

First of all, I agree that the Greek Navy has lagged behind on some issues, especially in the netcentric systems. The main reason was the financial because the crisis of the last decade.
This disadvantage tries to cover by acquiring not only the 3 + 1 frigates but also by acquiring 3 + 1 corvettes(propably Gowind) as well as by constructing new management center(Control and Command) and upgrading the existing ones (AEGEAS program, by the end of 2025). According to this schedule, these three programs, it will have ended in 2028 and the "+1" is due to restrictions on state budget enrollment.
2nd, Greek navy alongside wants to promote upgrade programs to 4 MEKO and to the 7 Vita fast boats.
3nd I remind you that Greek Airforce, at the same time(2025), will have 24 Rafale F3 and 48 F-16V, fully networked central units with the fleet and especially its anti-aircraft systems.
Finally, the FDI HN as machine is a game changer, especially with the additions requested by the Greek Navy(32 Aster 30, extra ECM, Strales, e.tc) and finally accepted by the French side. It is a power multiplier not just in theory, but in the field.

 

[Nutuk]

Nice plans, but Greece has till now not signed any contract on frigates. Let us see when that realizes

 

[Vergennes]

Junk the only 5th generation of combat ship ?
Which frigate is not.....junk?
Anyway, FDI is the first digital frigate, integrates latest-generation systems( such as Sea Fire, Sentinel and Canto) and of course the FDI HN will have high level capabilities in anti-air, anti-surface, anti-submarine and asymmetric warfare domains.

That guy is just your usual Algerian french basher,calling everything "junk" without any actual credible arguments.

 

[Akritas]

The three separate contracts for the acquisition of the new French FDI HN frigates are expected to be submitted for approval at the end of December, with a prevailing date of 20 December.
The three contracts include

• the three-year technical support contract,
• the armaments and cargo ship contract
• the contract with the Naval Group for the construction of the three frigates.

The cost of acquiring the three FDI HN frigates is 3.050 billion euros. The contracts will then be legally audited by the Court of Auditors and signed in January.

As confirmed by the French Ministry of Defense on Saturday and the spokesman, the two sides have reached the content of the final agreement and now remain formal procedures.

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[Akritas]

The metal sheets for the second FDI in the series which will likely be the first FDI HN.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1471468691514605568

 

[Zapper]

The Greeks should consider looking into Nilgiri class frigates for future acquisitions

 

[Akritas]

The Greeks should consider looking into Nilgiri class frigates for future acquisitions



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Nilgiri Class is a big ship.
The Greek Navy needs ships with a displacement of 4000-5000 tons because wants them for offshore operations such as the Aegean.

 

[Zapper]

Nilgiri Class is a big ship.
The Greek Navy needs ships with a displacement of 4000-5000 tons because wants them for offshore operations such as the Aegean.

Tailoring the size shouldn't be a problem since we designed and built corvettes to destroyers and everything in between. For instance, the Kamorta class corvette is 3400 tons. With some design changes, a hybrid suiting your requirements could be developed either an extended version of Kamorta corvette or downsizing the Nilgiri frigate and since all the tech is already in place and actively deployed with the IN, testing/trails can also be shortened

We also have 3 different corvette programs with varying tonnage

• Anti Submarine Warfare Shallow Water Craft (ASW): Total 16 planned, currently 8 under construction split between 2 different shipyards, 900-1000 tons
• Next Generation Missile Vessels(ASuW): 6 planned with $2.2bn budget allocated by the govt, 3500-4000 tons, RFI issued to local shipyards and currently seeking tenders
• Next Generation Corvettes (NGC): 7 planned, RFQ yet to be issued

In addition to the Nilgiri class, we're also building 2x Talwar class frigates (to keep Russia happy since we pretty much halted procurements from them and to ensure they don't completely slip into chinese camp) in our local yards which are of 4050 tons

 

[Akritas]

Tailoring the size shouldn't be a problem since we designed and built corvettes to destroyers and everything in between. For instance, the Kamorta class corvette is 3400 tons. With some design changes, a hybrid suiting your requirements could be developed either an extended version of Kamorta corvette or downsizing the Nilgiri frigate and since all the tech is already in place and actively deployed with the IN, testing/trails can also be shortened

We also have 3 different corvette programs with varying tonnage

• Anti Submarine Warfare Shallow Water Craft (ASW): Total 16 planned, currently 8 under construction split between 2 different shipyards, 900-1000 tons
• Next Generation Missile Vessels(ASuW): 6 planned with $2.2bn budget allocated by the govt, 3500-4000 tons, RFI issued to local shipyards and currently seeking tenders
• Next Generation Corvettes (NGC): 7 planned, RFQ yet to be issued

In addition to the Nilgiri class, we're also building 2x Talwar class frigates (to keep Russia happy since we pretty much halted procurements from them and to ensure they don't completely slip into chinese camp) in our local yards which are of 4050 tons

Your systems are not compatible with the other ships of the Greek Navy, air defense and air force. Every ship must be fully interoperable will all NATO and EU fleets.
Obviously India knew this, and that is why it did not submit a proposal.

 

[Zapper]

Your systems are not compatible with the other ships of the Greek Navy, air defense and air force. Every ship must be fully interoperable will all NATO and EU fleets

The Hydra class frigates you currently possess were commissioned in the 90s and they might have another decade of service life unless you intend to retrofit several sub-systems and undergo a massive overhaul to upgrade it

The Elli class were commissioned into the Dutch navy back in the late 70s & early 80s which were eventually transferred to your navy in the 90s...so end of hull life while having only 4x FDI-HNs on order

Establishing communications and interoperability shouldn't be a major issue since our navy operates German, French, Russian & Indian origin subs with ease. Even on the aerial front, we have American, French, Russian and Indian platforms all operating together. The best part about naval vessels is the level of customization one could undertake...if it wants to be in sync with EU/NATO units, we could always replace particular sub-systems with French options since we already have an outstanding relationship with them

Obviously India knew this, and that is why it did not submit a proposal.

I agree we're lagging behind on this front. Our govt should onboard a marketing/sales agency along with some defence lobbying firms and actively promote the defence export market. We've missed several opportunities in South East Asia, Middle East & South America just because we're not proactive enough or our govt doesn't support with financial backing for the projects

 

[Foulgrim]

The FDI HN frigates (1 billion euros/ship) will not carry a STRALES defence system nor an ECM system except ESM. The Greek Navy had requested STRALES in other competing designs such as the American HF2 frigates and the Dutch SIGMA 11515HN frigates. The placement of STRALES on the FDI HN frigates was judged to be an unnecessary redundancy.
The systems could be installed in the future although this seems doubtful. Unfortunately this indicates that there will be a large operational gap in the ship's capabilities. If there is not
installed cyber war suite we will talk about a bad deal as it unfolds.

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[Anmdt]

1 billion euros/ship

The price is a bit absurd, does it include 10+ years of maintenance for all components and the missiles with spares? Could be reasonable if it is covering these all.