TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

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I wonder when the photo was taken :rolleyes:
 
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Could maybe be the decoy drone they're talking about, shape is strange thoug.
Bruh. Look at all the other ones around it. It's a horizontal tail assembly to be tested in isolation, same as the other parts around it. And the plane in front of it is missing its tail elevators.
 

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Bruh. Look at all the other ones around it. It's a horizontal tail assembly to be tested in isolation, same as the other parts around it. And the plane in front of it is missing its tail elevators.
And why should tail elevators have curved wing tips?
And please enlighten us how that part is going to mounted on the Hurjet in front of it to make it whole?
 
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And why should tail elevators have curved wing tips?
And please enlighten us how that part is going to mounted on the Hurjet in front of it to make it whole?
Experimenting with different designs, obviously. It's just a CGI btw, not a design document. Also, that part is not going to be mounted on the Hurjet - it has 2 test rig connections on each side, so it will be tested in isolation.
 

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Official image of the internal/external weapons load-out supports authors article.
The only thing I would trust on that picture is the internal gun and the Turkish weapons. There is even an AN/ALQ-131 present. This picture reeks of disinfo or just plain old incompetence. Even the bigshots make huge mistakes, like Kotil conflating pounds with kg.
 
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The only thing I would trust on that picture is the internal gun and the Turkish weapons. There is even an AN/ALQ-131 present. This picture reeks of disinfo or just plain old incompetence. Even the bigshots make huge mistakes, like Kotil inflating pounds with kg.

Pictograms could be erroneous on purpose as to depict weapons and support systems, however i do not believe the internal/external weapons loads are made to be incorrect. If you see the AN/ALQ-131, it has a red rectangle next to it, as far as I am aware Turkey does not have any input into AN/ALQ-131. What it however indicates is that Turkey is developing an ECM pod.
 

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Yes indeed. Turkey would be cut off from the critical technology that is for certain, no one is willing to part with the production of the material technologies in the combustion chamber.

Same like F 414 that is reported to be produced by Hanwa Korea for KF 21/IFX, critical parts will still be supplied by GE and mostly Hanwa only produce parts that needs to be replaced in periodic maintenance period. Mostly what they do is assembling
 

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Same like F 414 that is reported to be produced by Hanwa Korea for KF 21/IFX, critical parts will still be supplied by GE and mostly Hanwa only produce parts that needs to be replaced in periodic maintenance period. Mostly what they do is assembling

Yep, same with the engines Volvo RM12. 50% of the original F404 engine remains. The rest is Volvo's new development. The engine is now owned by Sweden and Volvo is an OEM. Volvo has the type certificate and the responsibility for the engine to be airworthy and GE is only responsible for the spare parts needed for what is unmodified (the compressor, combustion chamber module, gearbox, generators, etc.)

It would have been a similar business case with RR and KALE, except KALE doesn't even have the knowledge or experience that VOLVO has. So, it would have been heavily supported by RR.
 
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A lot of progress being shown on TFX, and while it's all good and fine. I would prefer progress report on Hürjet on monthly basis :)

 

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Ironbird test system for Hürjet



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First flight planned December 2022
F404 engine, first delivery will be next year
Protocol with Navy will be soon to be signed for aircraft carrier. It is foreseen that Hurjet can be used with modifications.
Catapult launch of Hurjet is also possible. More details after protocol.
 
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İ wonder where the engine is coming from? TEI under license or GE/US?

I don't think its license production at least for the prototypes. Also Mr. Ozbek says in the comments that different engine for Hurjet is not planned.
 

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I really hope that TEI is pursuing a whole turbofan family based on the TS1400 and TS3000. TF6000/9500 derived from TS1400, TF12000/19000 derived from TS3000 should all be ready for FOC use by 2030 🙏
 
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İ wonder where the engine is coming from? TEI under license or GE/US?
My guess would be directly bought from GE for the prototypes, with a licence production for serial production. F110 and T700 are produced at TEI. With combustion chamber production for T700 happening at TEI, they could negotiate that too for the F404.
 
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I really hope that TEI is pursuing a whole turbofan family based on the TS1400 and TS3000. TF6000/9500 derived from TS1400, TF12000/19000 derived from TS3000 should all be ready for FOC use by 2030 🙏

Not just based on turboshaft engine family. There is works on different engines. We will see in near future. Especially crucial for projects like TRMOTOR development. Also Aero engines because of high specs make very ideal gas turbines for marine applications etc. Another crucial area. We will have it sooner or later
 

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If I am not mistaken, F404 engine being an engine for light aircraft and for training aircraft is exempt from US ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) conditions. Hence free to export without any special export license permissions.
F414 and bigger engines are a different story though. So going forward, with F110, I am still a bit apprehensive!
 

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If I am not mistaken, F404 engine being an engine for light aircraft and for training aircraft is exempt from US ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) conditions. Hence free to export without any special export license permissions.
I hope so!

edit: It doesn't seem so

*(a) Turbofan and Turbojet engines (including those that are technology demonstrators, developmental engines, or variable cycle engines) capable of 15,000 lbf (66.7 kN) of thrust or greater that have any of the following:

(1) With or specially designed for thrust augmentation (afterburner);

(2) Thrust or exhaust nozzle vectoring;

(3) Parts or components controlled in paragraph (f)(6) of this category;

(4) Specially designed for sustained 30 second inverted flight or negative g maneuver; or

(5) Specially designed for high power extraction (greater than 50 percent of engine thrust at altitude) at altitudes greater than 50,000 feet.



 
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