Defence Fair IDEF 2021 News & Discussion Updates

[TurDef]

Summary Stats of IDEF21

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"It has grown so much that in its 15th year, IDEF has no place to fit in. We have filled 40 thousand square meters. This is the capacity of TÜYAP.
IDEF has become one of the few fairs in the world. We are playing for the world's first place in bilateral meetings and square meters. We are in the third place in the world in terms of company participation.
The reason for this is that they have very large stands. Only ASELSAN's stand is 5 thousand square meters, you cannot find such a large stand in other fairs. We had to set up a navigation system for the exhibitors to take their products to the fairground and find their place. navigation system was used. This is a measure of the size of the fair."

Drawing attention to the high level of participation in the fair, Infantry stated that senior officials from 81 countries, including defense ministers and chiefs of general staff, came to IDEF 2021.
Giving the information that more than 160 foreign delegations made various contacts at the fair, Piyade said, "IDEF broke its own record every time in terms of company participation. We had 1061 participants in 2019, we reached 1236 here.

If we had space, it could have been even more. We set our targets very high,
'Which company can give us a place in 2023?' We think. We will need at least 50-55 thousand square meters.

IDEF23 will need a bigger Center.

Savunmadaki büyük buluşma IDEF sınırları zorluyor

Dünyanın önde gelen savunma sanayisi fuarlarından biri haline gelen IDEF'e gösterilen ilgi, hedefleri de büyüttü. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

TF-2000 project getting into life
SSB President İsmail Demir made an announcement about the TF-2000 Air Defence Destroyer. If you had no opportunity to read, we hinted about the long waited story almost a month ago. Mr Demir set up a press briefing at IDEF and told the good news to almost 20 journalists. It is sad to see that the news does not receive enough attention from the press. I have seen two or three articles about it. I also try to cover why the project waited for so long. https://www.turdef.com/Article/gree...s-at-tf-2000-air-defence-destroyer-tender/599

 

[TurDef]

Summary Stats of IDEF21

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"It has grown so much that in its 15th year, IDEF has no place to fit in. We have filled 40 thousand square meters. This is the capacity of TÜYAP.
IDEF has become one of the few fairs in the world. We are playing for the world's first place in bilateral meetings and square meters. We are in the third place in the world in terms of company participation.
The reason for this is that they have very large stands. Only ASELSAN's stand is 5 thousand square meters, you cannot find such a large stand in other fairs. We had to set up a navigation system for the exhibitors to take their products to the fairground and find their place. navigation system was used. This is a measure of the size of the fair."

Drawing attention to the high level of participation in the fair, Infantry stated that senior officials from 81 countries, including defense ministers and chiefs of general staff, came to IDEF 2021.
Giving the information that more than 160 foreign delegations made various contacts at the fair, Piyade said, "IDEF broke its own record every time in terms of company participation. We had 1061 participants in 2019, we reached 1236 here.

If we had space, it could have been even more. We set our targets very high,
'Which company can give us a place in 2023?' We think. We will need at least 50-55 thousand square meters.

IDEF23 will need a bigger Center.

Savunmadaki büyük buluşma IDEF sınırları zorluyor

Dünyanın önde gelen savunma sanayisi fuarlarından biri haline gelen IDEF'e gösterilen ilgi, hedefleri de büyüttü. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

I disagree about bigger place expectations. We need the new vision. IDEF must be divided into three like land, air and naval platforms. Eurosatory, le Bourget and Euronaval are the good examples of it. The big place costs more, small size enterprises can not afford it. Four days expo was not enough for me and I had the opportunity to enter the expo at 8 am and stay there until 2 am. (TurDef assisted IDEF Daily) It was still not enough. We should give up from "the bigger the better" concept and concentrate on efficiency. Divided IDEF would give a path to newcomers. We will have time to examine each work sufficiently. IDEF has to be either a 1-week expo (who can afford it?) or give birth to three expertise expos.

 

[Test7]

I will pass your request to Mr Okumuş. What size do you wear? )))

Thank you very much Mr @TurDef

I hand it over to @Oublious

 

[Anmdt]

I disagree about bigger place expectations. We need the new vision. IDEF must be divided into three like land, air and naval platforms. Eurosatory, le Bourget and Euronaval are the good examples of it. The big place costs more, small size enterprises can not afford it. Four days expo was not enough for me and I had the opportunity to enter the expo at 8 am and stay there until 2 am. (TurDef assisted IDEF Daily) It was still not enough. We should give up from "the bigger the better" concept and concentrate on efficiency. Divided IDEF would give a path to newcomers. We will have time to examine each work sufficiently. IDEF has to be either a 1-week expo (who can afford it?) or give birth to three expertise expos.

I agree on that, the Naval part of IDEF never deserves the attention it catches, should we give candies or what? I wonder. And rather ignored by the most people including the professionals!. It is necessary at least to separate the Naval part and let roketsan-aselsan-tübitak or whoever to display their solutions specific to the naval platforms so it will not be lost among the others.

 

[Anmdt]

TF-2000 project getting into life
SSB President İsmail Demir made an announcement about the TF-2000 Air Defence Destroyer. If you had no opportunity to read, we hinted about the long waited story almost a month ago. Mr Demir set up a press briefing at IDEF and told the good news to almost 20 journalists. It is sad to see that the news does not receive enough attention from the press. I have seen two or three articles about it. I also try to cover why the project waited for so long. https://www.turdef.com/Article/gree...s-at-tf-2000-air-defence-destroyer-tender/599

I did even say my hesitation about the tender, there is no single private shipyard that can handle TF-2000 off the start, yet alone its budget that surpasses a billion $. They can,however, handle the 2nd to 4th ships only if granted and monitored by SSB financially. The first one should definitely be constructed by a Naval shipyard.

The tender will never be fair because the private shipyards know their way to bid low in the tender and then get additional feeds because of re-dos. Just like happened in TCG Anadolu, Sedef has billed additional-unexpected fees to the SSB despite of they have bid for a fixed price at the tender. It is their responsibility to foresee those "unexpected stuff" and include in the bid, but they don't do that trusting their relations.

 

[Combat-Master]

TUBITAK-BILGEM and ASIS Electronics, laser adorned quadcopter

iHA-L capable of flying with a payload of 7-10kg

Brochure;
Up to 500w laser output
Effective up to 300 meters
Optically stabilized
Integrated target tracking
100% Turkish


TUSAS-ULAK UYGAR Communication pod provides 4G/LTE communication for civil or military applications

 

[Combat-Master]

MKE Algan 8x8 all-terrain vehicle

Algan can serve in almost any rough terrain, swamp, on water, sandy ground or snow-covered. It can carry 6 people and 4 people on water.

 

[Combat-Master]

Miilux OY, the company that OYAK acquired to strengthen domestic production, exhibits its latest technology products at IDEF'21 Defense Industry Fair. Miilux OY, which produces armor steel and wear-resistant steel with an annual capacity of 38 thousand tons and meets Turkey's armor steel needs, aims to reduce foreign dependency.

 

[Quasar]

Miilux OY, the company that OYAK acquired to strengthen domestic production, exhibits its latest technology products at IDEF'21 Defense Industry Fair. Miilux OY, which produces armor steel and wear-resistant steel with an annual capacity of 38 thousand tons and meets Turkey's armor steel needs, aims to reduce foreign dependency.

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Finnish origin company guess now we have a production plant in Manisa? According to the news after being able meet Turkey's high-strength steel needs they start exporting to Germany, Ukraine, South Korea, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, South Africa and Nigeria.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1429121758213324811

Does it have magnetic lock or something to be able to stay on top of the vehicle ?

 

[Anmdt]

Does it have magnetic lock or something to be able to stay on top of the vehicle ?

A tether- cable, sometimes only for hooking,sometimes can transmit power and data, in my opinion we will see these more in this year. Something such is also being considered for the boats.

 

[Oublious]

I will pass your request to Mr Okumuş. What size do you wear? )))

L seize will fit...

 

[Nilgiri]

I disagree about bigger place expectations. We need the new vision. IDEF must be divided into three like land, air and naval platforms. Eurosatory, le Bourget and Euronaval are the good examples of it. The big place costs more, small size enterprises can not afford it. Four days expo was not enough for me and I had the opportunity to enter the expo at 8 am and stay there until 2 am. (TurDef assisted IDEF Daily) It was still not enough. We should give up from "the bigger the better" concept and concentrate on efficiency. Divided IDEF would give a path to newcomers. We will have time to examine each work sufficiently. IDEF has to be either a 1-week expo (who can afford it?) or give birth to three expertise expos.

Totally agree splitting into 3 expos/fairs by service branch theme...Land, Aerospace and Marine.

Surely this has been suggested before and starting to be considered?...especially given Turkey defence industry increasingly becoming more diverse and involving companies of all sizes.

Hopefully pressure can be applied to make it so.

...and thank you for that interview with the TUBITAK director!

 

[TurDef]

I did even say my hesitation about the tender, there is no single private shipyard that can handle TF-2000 off the start, yet alone its budget that surpasses a billion $. They can,however, handle the 2nd to 4th ships only if granted and monitored by SSB financially. The first one should definitely be constructed by a Naval shipyard.

The tender will never be fair because the private shipyards know their way to bid low in the tender and then get additional feeds because of re-dos. Just like happened in TCG Anadolu, Sedef has billed additional-unexpected fees to the SSB despite of they have bid for a fixed price at the tender. It is their responsibility to foresee those "unexpected stuff" and include in the bid, but they don't do that trusting their relations.

Navy and SSB have different visions on that. I started to speak with two sources from both sides and got into depth information later. It is crystal clear that the Navy wants to control the entire process. They want to be able to make amendments to the project if they want to. A private shipyard does not function this way. Change of project requires amendment in the agreement. This takes a long time and this is what the Navy hates. At the end of the day, this will be the 6th vessel to be constructed. The Navy has brilliant engineers. They must know how to design without the need for an amendment. About the shipyard capacity... there are some candidates but It is too early to mention names. About the billing... yes and no.. Yes, I agree.. get the lowest price, get the tender... get extra payment... typical.. no... get the tender... then the entire terms change... No more F-35b. Will the tender be fair??? I do not know... can you control the expenses at the naval shipyard? Can you claim that it is fair to leave private shipyards out just because it will not be a fair one? I believe that SSB and navy should cooperate on the job rather than arm wrestling. The result would be fair.

 

[TurDef]

Totally agree splitting into 3 expos/fairs by service branch theme...Land, Aerospace and Marine.

Surely this has been suggested before and starting to be considered?...especially given Turkey defence industry increasingly becoming more diverse and involving companies of all sizes.

Hopefully pressure can be applied to make it so.

...and thank you for that interview with the TUBITAK director!

you are welcome...
There are more interviews coming up in fact. Otokar, Havelsan, Navantia and Meteksan interviews are already published. There are FNSS, SDT, ARES, Canik, Uzmar, SMS, STM, Turaç coming up...

 

[Anmdt]

Navy and SSB have different visions on that. I started to speak with two sources from both sides and got into depth information later. It is crystal clear that the Navy wants to control the entire process. They want to be able to make amendments to the project if they want to. A private shipyard does not function this way. Change of project requires amendment in the agreement. This takes a long time and this is what the Navy hates. At the end of the day, this will be the 6th vessel to be constructed. The Navy has brilliant engineers. They must know how to design without the need for an amendment. About the shipyard capacity... there are some candidates but It is too early to mention names. About the billing... yes and no.. Yes, I agree.. get the lowest price, get the tender... get extra payment... typical.. no... get the tender... then the entire terms change... No more F-35b. Will the tender be fair??? I do not know... can you control the expenses at the naval shipyard? Can you claim that it is fair to leave private shipyards out just because it will not be a fair one? I believe that SSB and navy should cooperate on the job rather than arm wrestling. The result would be fair.

Navy wants to control entire process because private shipyards once ended up messing things up in favor of making profits moreover not really watching the process closely as naval shipyard does and mostly leaving it to some subcontractors unattended and assigning their engineers on commercial projects. They are right by all means for the first ship and for the latter i also support construction at a private shipyard again under inspection of the naval forces (which actually happens but SSB involves way too much and renders naval forces ineffective in the process)

I think costs are much better managable in the naval shipyard because , 1st there is no cost for use of the shipyard it is supplied by Navy, 2nd no profit concerns nobody cares if the shipyard is occupied for several years on a single hull, 3th no financial concerns to clear slip way or to clear dock, the hull can be docked whenever needed for a redo unlike waiting for months as happened in a private shipyard. I know a case where, A private shipyard delayed a navy related project for months at the cost of extra fees to complete an order for a luxurious order, and another one where the private shipyard left something unattended and didn't check subcontractors and they ended up doing a very wrong job eventually set the project back by 6-8 months at 100m additional fees (that is somehow managed to be billed at SSB)

Private shipyards had done bad things that they deserve the attitude of Navy and navy is right to control every step in the first ship, we should all accept private shipyards are nowhere close to the naval shipyards in terms of quality. And SSB of nowadays is not really good as in the past to make it a struggle for private shipyards but they do everything to ease the job by not forcing them.

In sum: private shipyards make profit, naval shipyards make the job happen.

 

[Hexciter]

European Defence Review Magazine IDEF’21 coverage

IDEF 2021 - EDR Magazine

Planned for late May 2021 but moved to the right due to COVID considerations, the 15th edition of IDEF 2021,

www.edrmagazine.eu

 

[Stuka]

Summary of Everything notable that happened at IDEF21


IDEF 2021 Activities

Page 1 SIGNATURES:
• SSB - Equatorial Guinea: Defense Industry Cooperation Agreement
• SSB - Iraq: Defense Industry Cooperation Agreement
• Technopark Istanbul, Aselsan, Tusaş, Roketsan, Havelsan and TEI: Strategic Solution Partners Cooperation Protocol

Page 2
• Teknopark- Turkey Cyber Security Cluster: Cyber Security Acceleration and Incubation Program Cooperation Protocol
• Aselsan – Armelsan: Protocol on the Development of Multistatic Sonar Suite
• ULAK Haberleş A.Ş. – HAB: Smart Campus Communication Project

Page 3
• ULAK Communications Inc. – HAB: Smart Campus Communication Project
• SSB - Roketsan: Land-to-Land Cruise Missile Project
• Coast Guard Command - Havelsan: SAHİL-NET Project Contract

Page 4
• Roketsan – Kale ARGE: Contract for the use of Kale ARGE turbojet engines in SOM and ATMACA missiles
• Havelsan – BİTES: Augmented reality project contracts
• TUSAŞ - GSATCOM – INVAP: ARSAT-SG1 Satellite Project, Turkey's first satellite export

Page 5
• SSB - Companies applying for loans in 2020: Credit protocols (Within the scope of the Defense Industry Investment and Development Activities Support Programme, 230 million TL loans were provided to 33 companies in 2 years.)

Page 6
• SSB - Meteksan Savunma Sanayii A.Ş.: Navigation Electronic Attack System SEYMEN Project
• SSB - Arox Bilişim Sistemleri A.Ş - Elektroland Defense A.Ş. - Esetron Mechatronics: Light Class Unmanned Land Vehicles Project Signing Ceremony

Page 7
• ASELSAN - BİTES - Altosec: Artificial Intelligence Supported Network Application Firewall Development Project
• ASELSAN - ASFAT: Fire Control System Contract within the scope of T-155 Modern Towed Howitzer Modernization Project

Page 8
• ASELSAN – ASFAT: Offshore Patrol Ship Project Combat Systems Contract
• ASELSAN - Eti Maden – Aspilsan: Collaboration protocol on battery cell development with domestic material

Page 9
• ASELSAN – SSB: Collaboration protocol on Communication, Antenna and Parts by Domestic and National Design, Production, Installation, Maintenance and Repair • ASELSAN - TÜBİTAK BİLGEM – PHOTONİKS: Laser Communication System Collaboration protocol

Page 10
• ASELSAN – KAREL: Carthage project cooperation agreement for mass production • ASELSAN – Armelsan Defense: TF2000 Sonar Suite Protocol

Page 11
• TUSAŞ – Tübitak SAGE: Collaboration agreement for determining the cooperation methods that can be done within the scope of the projects and studies for the projects to be developed
• Roketsan – SSB: Our Land-to-Land Navigation Missile Land ATMACA Project Agreement

Page 12
• HAVELSAN – AYESAŞ: KARTAL Air Warning and Command and Control System contract
• HAVELSAN - Coast Guard Command: SAHİLNET Project
• HAVELSAN – SSB: Augmented Reality Project

Page 13
• Nurol Makina - STM Defense: STM products integration projects to Nurol Makina vehicles cooperation intent agreement
• FNSS - SSB: Contract Change for the Supply of Additional Vehicles All FTAs to be delivered to our Armed Forces by the end of 2023

Page 14
• KAREL – TEI: Mass production contract for the Engine Control Unit for the TEI-PD170 Turbodiesel Aviation Engine
• KAREL – Aselsan: Memorandum of Understanding for the mass production of the Shot and Magazine Base Unit (AMTB)
• HAVELSAN – OTOKAR: Cooperation projects

Page 15
• TEI – Tübitak SAGE: Cooperation protocol for the continuation of ongoing works and projects
• TEI - GE Marine: Collaboration letter of agreement regarding the production, installation and repair of LM2500 and LM500 gas turbines

Page 16
• SSB - BMC Defense - HAVELSAN - Roketsan - SAHA Istanbul - TEI TUSAS - TUSAŞ and Teknopark Istanbul: Strategic Solution Partners Cooperation protocol
• ASELSAN - Onur Mühendislik: Operational Communication System (Opera) within the scope of HAKİM Project, Contractor Supply Contract.

Page 17
• ASELSAN – SSB: Multistatic Radar and Capability Acquisition Project Contract
• ASELSAN – SSB: Mobile Tower and Mobile Low Altitude Air Traffic Radar System Project Contract

Page 18 INTERVIEWS:
• Haluk Bayraktar met with Polish Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak in Warsaw. BayraktarTB2 SİHAs will begin to serve the Polish Armed Forces from 2022.
• İsmail DEMİR - Kosovo Defense Minister Armend Mehaj and his delegation

Page 19
• İsmail DEMİR - Head of Polish National Security Bureau and State Secretary Pawel Soloch
• İsmail DEMİR - Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Strategic Industries of Ukraine Oleg Urusky
• İsmail DEMİR - Minister of Defense and Armies of Togo Essosimna Gnakade

Page 20
• İsmail DEMİR - Minister of Defense Industry of Azerbaijan Medet Guliyev
• İsmail DEMİR - Minister of Defense of South Sudan Angelina Jany Teny
• İsmail DEMİR - Minister of State for Defense Industry of Belarus Dimitry Pantus

Page 21
• İsmail DEMİR - Head of Pakistan Strategic Planning Lieutenant General Nadeem Zaki Manj
• İsmail DEMİR - State Secretary of the Latvian Ministry of Defense Janis Garrisons
• İsmail DEMİR - Chairman of the Iraqi Military Industrialization Board Mohamed Saheb Al-Daraji and his delegation

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1428732816309825545

 

[Oublious]

First step to AWACS project?

AYESAŞ: KARTAL Air Warning and Command and Control System contract

 

[TheInsider]

Damn multistatic radar era is close. By the end of this decade, TR will be a monster in the defense industry.