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How many wars did the Algerians and Moroccans have?

It seems to be historical I know the Western Sahara plays a role but Ottoman Algeria and Morocco seem to have had their own fair share clashes for centuries.
Yes the ottomans, and morocco had some clashes as you know but morocco vs algeria i wont say so. Take a look at the algerian history the last 1 000 years. 300 years under the ottomans, and if i remember correct between 300-400 years of moroccan rule with different moroccan dynasties ( almoravid, almohad, wattasid etc).


The only war we had was the so called «sand war», and other different battles taken place «undercover». One battle was the battle of amgala where algerian soldiers dressed like the polisario front. Its well known that battles like that have taken places within sahara aswell as north mauritania in the early days.
 

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How many wars did the Algerians and Moroccans have?

It seems to be historical I know the Western Sahara plays a role but Ottoman Algeria and Morocco seem to have had their own fair share clashes for centuries.
Bruh they tried to attack us after 1 year of our independence Algeria won independence in 1962, Morocco attacked us in 1963 they want to steal some lands, Algeria didn't even have an Army back then we were militias but with 7 years war experience with France we were like Taliban of that time. Morocco was the French puppet France built their air force and give them tanks even that didn't help them and they took a huge L. Then they tried the same thing with Sahrawis, when the Sahrawis kicked Spain Morocco entered and took 80% of their lands and now they blame us for helping Sahrawis against them!
 
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Mauritania didnt they once held some parts of Western Sahara until they withdrew?
Yes they split it but Mauritania couldn't hold the Sahrawis attacks then they withdrew and officially recognized the Sahrawis.
Btw, Morocco at the beginning they didn't even recognize Mauritania as a state they want to take it too, but i don't know if they do now, because they think all those countries down to Senegal river are theirs... some weird 💩 right 😂
 

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Man, the only thing I want to say is Muslim countries should never fight each other. 😭

NEVER EVER fight your brother. Enemies love it and they are the only ones who win.

Eat couscous, calm down and revitalize the brotherhood.
 

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Man, the only thing I want to say is Muslim countries should never fight each other. 😭

NEVER EVER fight your brother. Enemies love it and they are the only ones who win.

Eat couscous, calm down and revitalize the brotherhood.
They are not just Muslims, they speak same language.

But the brothers don't have to live together.
 

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Bruh they tried to attack us after 1 year of our independence Algeria won independence in 1962, Morocco attacked us in 1963 they want to steal some lands, Algeria didn't even have an Army back then we were militias but with 7 years war experience with France we were like Taliban of that time. Morocco was the French puppet France built their air force and give them tanks even that didn't help them and they took a huge L. Then they tried the same thing with Sahrawis, when the Sahrawis kicked Spain Morocco entered and took 80% of their lands and now they blame us for helping Sahrawis against them!
I realised that some algerians are very good at their propaganda in the english language, because in arabic they would not stand a chance on the internet due to all the information out there in the arabic language. However if you want we can make a seperate thread about the historical context of past tensions between morocco and algeria. In short word i will say that the problem happend after france cut a big part of the south east part of morocco, and handed it over to algeria even tho morocco was unhappy with this after the colonisation. The algerians said that they would solve this with the moroccans, and that it would be no problem because morocco had excellent relations with the FLN, the armed resistance of the algerians against the france. Morocco trained the fln in morocco, and many of your presidents in the history of algeria is born actually in morocco! I swear lets make a new thread so i can smash any fake claim you make :) But not here, this thread we will compare the weapon systems of the 2 countries.
 

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I can give you a litt brief through about the main systems used :) When it comes to experience between the armies i will share it shortly in another post.


I will try to gi ve you the main platforms used, as for all weapon sytems will be to detailed. I will also try my best to just mention those who are confirmed or atleast strongly+++++ reported.

Air force:
- 48 F16 vipers
- 24 mirage F1 ( Upgraded to the level of Mirage 2000-5).
- 24 apaches 64E best version! ( 12 more optional)
- Confirmed TB2 19 (13+ 6)
- 3 Heron drones


Land forces:
-384 M1 abraham tanks ( 162 M1a2 SEPV3, and the rest M1A1 tanks are either upgraded to M1A2, M1A1 SA or marine corps version).
-427 M60 ( 167 M60A3+ 260 M60A3TTS)
- 148 T-72+ 150 VT-1A ( Used in the southern zones in sahara)

Artillery/Launchers:
- 357 155mm M109 ( 60 M109A5s, and the rest M109A2-3 + Paladin)
- 36 caesar self propelled howitzer.
- 36 PHL 03 MLRS ( Some reports say 72)

Air defence systems:
- FD-2000B 4 batteries ( Reported ordered 2017 but no visual fotage yet)
- sky dragon 50 4 batteries/ 24 launchers ( Ordered in 2017, first time seen in early 2022!)
- vl mica 4 batteries
- 500 million order of Barak MX ( According to israeli media hareetz, globe etc)

Radar:
- 4 Thales ground master 400 radar.
- EW koral ( TRT ARAB, )

Navy:


1 Fremm 6 000 tons
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Thales herakles 3 radar, and Thales altesse ESM. NO ECM :( ( All system developed by thales)

- 16 cell aster 15 missiles
- 8 exocet block 3
- 2 torpedo launchers


3 sigma corvettes 2300 tons
- 12 VLS
- 4 EXCOCET block 3
- 2 torpedo launchers
- Thales smart-S mk2 3D radar
- EW: Thales vigile 100 ESM system+ Thales scorpion ECM system.



I also have to mention that through the years that algeria have had a huge budget, but now morocco are aiming to be one of the leaders of the continent before 2030. The finance bill in 2022 shows that morocco have allocated 12.8 billion usd to “equipment purchase and maintenance for the Royale Armed Forces,”.



It would be nice if @Chakib larbi could make a simmiliar list of the main, and best weapons of the armed forces of Algeria.
 

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@Knowledgeseeker while the Royal army has invested in Abrams tank, I failed to find a single information on the KE APFSDS rounds used on your army premier tanks.

What I do found is Moroccan request for M865 Training SABOT Rounds and M831Al HEAT Rounds. ALL of which are TRAINING rounds.

 

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@Knowledgeseeker while the Royal army has invested in Abrams tank, I failed to find a single information on the KE APFSDS rounds used on your army premier tanks.

What I do found is Moroccan request for M865 Training SABOT Rounds and M831Al HEAT Rounds. ALL of which are TRAINING rounds.

In the first link you provided i found this " The possible sale also includes 12,049,842 Ammunition Rounds (including 1400 C785 SABOT, 1800 CA31 HEAT, and 5400 AA38 SLAP-T)". Are the munition i quoted training ammunition`?
 

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In the first link you provided i found this " The possible sale also includes 12,049,842 Ammunition Rounds (including 1400 C785 SABOT, 1800 CA31 HEAT, and 5400 AA38 SLAP-T)". Are the munition i quoted training ammunition`?

the C785 is the other name for the M865 training rounds, so does the CA31 which is called the M1002 TMPT
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The standard US made sabot round is either the M829 series DU rounds, or the KE-W-AX tungsten rounds, none of which I could find, or is there any picture to suggest otherwise
 

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the C785 is the other name for the M865 training rounds, so does the CA31 which is called the M1002 TMPT
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The standard US made sabot round is either the M829 series DU rounds, or the KE-W-AX tungsten rounds, none of which I could find, or is there any picture to suggest otherwise
I have read before about the main rounds of the abraham tanks, and the main ammunition is always disclosed by The US, and morocco. Its actually no big suprise as this happens very often when morocco procure weapons. If i find anything later on i will post it.
 

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@T-123456 and @AlphaMike was wondering how the armies of the 2 armed forces are training, operating and their experience.

Algeria seem to follow the same millitary doctorine as the russians, and other arab states as egypt and Algeria. Most of their weapons are mainly from Russia, and russia is their biggest ally. I dont find alot of information about exercises algeria have with other states except russia. It would be better if @Chakib larbi talked more about exercises with other states. One critical argument i have to mention is the political system of algeria, where the army is often accused of being de facto ruler of the algerian republic. The result of this are alot of dismissed generals/High ranking members through the years, especially from 2015 untill now. The general are often fired without no reason, or in some case " Corruption". You guys can google this but i will just mention a few names for you.

-intelligence chief Gen. Mediene (2015, after 25 years in service)
- In 2018 president bouteflika fired Said Bey and Lahbib Chentouf ( They both are generals of two millitary disctricts. Algeria had 6 regions back in 2018).
- Major General Mohamed Kaidi
( Fired in late 2021 after algeria accused morocco of killing 3 truck drivers. Prior to the dismissal, Kaidi took part in a long late night meeting chaired by Said Chengriha. Allegedly deep disagreement between kaidi, and other senior officials of millitary high command with the way this security crisis was managed).

This is only a few names, but you guys can find tons of names if you search on the internet. Im only mentioning this to you so you can understand how dismissals at high level will directly affect the rest structure of the armed forces of Algeria. Arab states have often weak leadership, and thats why their armies operate in such a bad way.

When it comes to the experience that the algerian army then i will say the only experience they have is the wars with Morocco, and some insurgency in their country.
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Now Morocco! When it comes to morocco i believe that morocco is ahead of Algeria when it comes to doctorine, training and experience by far!

Morocco seems to lean more of a mixed millitary doctorine. The establishment of the moroccan millitary schools in meknes, and other various millitary institutions have strenghtened the proffesionalism of the Moroccan army, and the rest of the continent. Many officers, and soldiers from all over africa comes to Morocco to get trained. The early wars in sahara between the algerians and the moroccans shaped our way of doctorine in desert warfare. However the main structure and doctorine goes in line with nato structure. The integration and cooperation between Nato, and morocco is increasing aswell. Since early 2000 the relations with the US increased highly, and since then have the US together with nato cooperated with morocco for the past 20+ years with hundreds of exercises, missions, and programs. Everything from naval, air and land assets, aswell as security and intelligence cooperation. i will mention a few:

- NATO’s ISTAR Standards, best practices, and lessons learned, providing critical knowledge to enable greater interoperability with NATO.”
- Nato mission in Kosovo with more then 10 000 moroccan soldiers.
- Nato Interoperability Platform allowing moroccan forces to be trained to standards that will enable them to operate side by side with NATO forces in continuing and upcoming joint regional security initiatives against terrorism.
- Air force mission bombing isis assets in iraq and syria


Morocco also have training, and exercises with countries as France, UK, US, and several other countries yearly. ( Gulf, pakistan+ african countries)
- African lion exercise as host nation together with the US since 2002( Biggest exercise yearly in the continent of africa ) !

Now i have done a brief through regarding the millitary doctorine+ a couple of cooperation events with the US/nato that shapes the armed forces of Morocco. i also have to mention that the intelligence services of morocco is known to be best in the MENA region together with mossad.


Now i will move to the topic of experience. I will list the different wars morocco have been participating in.

- Morocco been in war with the polisario millitia in sahara for the past 50+ years. ( Funded by algeria, cuba, Libya).
- Morocco been in war with algeria in the sandwar in 1963. Morocco pushed more then 400 km into Algeria untill few km from the Tindouf- bechar region. ( including other skirmishes as battle of amgala+ various smaller battles)
- Yemen war 4 years with 6 F16, and 1500 ground troops. ( Special force units, and paratroopers aswell.)
- Kosovo UN/Nato 10 000 soldiers, aswell as troops in central africa.
- -Air force mission bombing isis assets in iraq and syria
- Yom kippur1973 moroccan paratroopers land at golan height, and succesfully capture mount hermon together with the syrians ( Known in the history as brave soldiers fighting. Saddam hussein came to the rescue when a traitor commander of the syrians started retreating! Low casulties reported of the moroccan paratroopers) .
- Shaba war zaire/Congo sending 1000-1500 paratroopers stopping the overthrowing of the goverment orchestrated by Soviet, and Angola. ( Very low casulties)



Moroccan millitary structure, together with the political stability have made Morocco only grow, and morocco will definitly move towards a stronger position in Africa, and north africa with the budget raising to 12.8 billion USD. Our millitary doctorine, intelligence service, training and experience in the field make us confident that we can tackle every challenge! Its a reason why Morocco controlls the hole sahara, while algeria can just fund millitias to slow us down. In the end of the day i see my algerians as my brothers, and i love all my brothers there. I wish thing was different!

I will add a list video of former Algerian colonel Ramdane Hamlate praising morocco, whie critizing the lack of combat experience by the algerian army. I will provide a short summary of what he say in the video.



First the colonel ask the reported to tell him about one mission where the algerian have air force have participated in outside the borders of Algeria. Then he mentions that morocco have been in many missions including air rads against isis, mission in Zaire/Congo with paratroopers, Operation with the french in Northern Mali. Then he ask why do morocco engange in this conflict, and he answers because of readiness, and to gain experience in the "Real" battlefield.

Hope you guys will be happy to see this information, i used a good time of the day to write this, and find the right sources.
 

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Air force : While Moroccan air force is relatively smaller, but the F-16s Morocco has just blows the competition, it has a better engine (F100-PW-229) , better avionics (AN/APG-68v(9) + APG-83 AESA radar) and a more advanced and diverse armament.

#ENGINE

The engine on the Moroccan Vipers is the powerful and tested Pratt F100-PW-229 with 130kN thrust and most importanly a far longer mean time between overhaul (MTBO) than the Su and MiG Lyulka AL-31 and Klimov RD-33 series.

Engine life comparison

  1. Pratt F100 PW-229 EEP : 8000 hours
  2. Lyulka Al-31F : 900-1500 hours
  3. RD-33 : 700 hours

That means the F-16s will spend most of their active service flying instead of doing repairs and overhauls.

Indonesian air force both operate the F-16 A/B and C/D all of which uses the older Prat F-100-PW-220E and the SU-27/30 with Lyulka Al-31F. Overall our air force prefer the F-16 and the F-16s remains Indonesian air force backbone. The Sukhois are known hangar que**.

Note: there are some difference on the engine life hours, but overall Russian engines are more prone to overhauls. As note the AL-31F could be overhauled twice and then it must be dumped.


#ARMAMENTS

A2A

This is where the F-16 particularly shines, starting from the AAM. The F-16 has a lavish choice firing multiple NATO standard air to air munitions, but to keep it real we’re talking the two standard Fox 2 and Fox 3 missile in Moroccan inventory the AIM-9 and AIM-120

The latest iteration for the Sidewinders is the dash 9X blk II, which offers significant improvement in target discrimination than the dash 9X block I and improved off boresight capability. The Algerian principal short range AAM is the R-73 which also offers the same off boresight capability , but its questionable if its match or exceed the 9X, because unlike the Archer, the Sidewinder has incremental improvement program from time to time.

The same could be said with the Fox 3s, the principal long range AAM of the Moroccans is the AMRAAM while the Algerians, the Adder AA-12. While both are classified as medium to long range missile, just like the AIM-9X, the AIM-120D benefitted from Pentagon incremental upgrade of the missile, there has been 4 block iteration of the AIM-120 since its introduction in the 90s , while the AA-12 has only one.

The AIM-120D are reportedly able to achieve the longest air to air kills ever recorded on an air breathing target last year.

Other than that, Moroccan F1s also employed the MICA which is a very agile air to air missile

A2G

The war in Ukraine shows us that Russian air force platforms has not invested significantly on targeting pods to employ laser guided smart bombs and continue to rely on old iron bombs and missiles (which are very expensive).

The F-16s (especially that employed by Morocco) are able to lob precision bombs usually in the forms of either the GPS/INS guided JDAM, laser guided Paveways or the GPS+Laser LJDAM/ French AASM all of which are deployed on the Moroccan F-16s and Mirage F1s.

All those smart bombs could hit their target precisely because the Royal Marocco Air Force (RMAF) had invested significantly in the use of targeting pods.

Some of the advanced pods employed by RMAF :

  • Goodrich DB-110
  • Litening
  • Damocles
  • Sniper
Algerian air force do have their own smart bombs, but most of it are heavy and big, KAB-1500L for example, and because Russian smart bomb kits aren’t produced nearly as much as their US counterparts, its must be very expensive due to lack of economy of scale, hence bought in limited number. Also being Russian platform, it doesn’t really have anything close to the targeting pods deployed by Western jets. I am aware of the T220/E targeting pod , but its performance questionable, and if I’m not mistaken Russian air force themselves had not used any of those.

Both RMAF and AAF deployed anti radiation missile (AGM-88b and KH-31PD)

Both RMAF and AAF deployed shor range A2G missile (AGM-65 and Kh-29), but the AGM-65 is a lot smaller in size for the same role and performance. More missile could be carried.

AAF Su and MiG’s are equipped with the KH-59MK ALCM, while the RMAF will soon uses the Delilah, both are combat proven in both Syria (IAF) and Ukraine (used by RuAF). But AAF leads this time.

RMAF F-16 will soon be equipped with the RGM-84L Block II Harpoon AShM, replacing or augmenting existing AM-39 launched from the Mirage F1s.

#Avionics.

Let me explain, the mechanically scanned and electronically scanned radar has nothing to do with efficiency. Its more to do wth radar beam steering.

A mechanically scanned radar could be superior than a PESA radar if the software and T/R module is better. Being mechanical has nothing to do with target discrimination, an electronically scanned radar steers the radar beam electronically to all side while mechanical steered ones used (as the name suggest) mechanical arms to swing the plate around. But yes, PESA could scan the skies faster than mechanically scanned ones.

AESA radar can achieve better signal to noise ratio compared to PESA (better signal to noise ratio will improve radar detection range). AESA design is approximately 2.79 dB better than PESA design in that aspect ( or about 47% better )

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Furthermore , since individuals T/R modules on AESA do not rely on a single high power amplifier, they can transmit signal at different frequencies at the same time. As a result, an AESA can form several independent beams at different frequencies simultaneously by dividing the array into a few smaller sub-array, that improves its multitasking capabilities.


AESA is also very resilient to jam and could actually used in jamming role as demonstrated by the APG-83 on the Lightning.

Russia does not produce AESA (safe for maybe the Su-57s) and its performance is questionable.

The SABR APG-83 installed on the Vipers are 3rd gen AESA radars, not all AESA are equal, and because this is US made, its more mature. It is reportedly developed with lessons from the APG-81 Radar (the most advanced radar on any flying jets)

The F-16s are equipped with the LINK 16 data links, I don’t have to explain why data links are important and overall Moroccan orders for its electronics package are more extensive as you can read in this link below


The biggest L for the RMAF is their F-16s are not supported by the necessary air refueling tanker to do air to air refueling. (and so do us, Indonesians lololol), but good for them , RMAF had those CFT as standard and a more fuel efficient F100 PW-229 engine


#Pilot kit.

Moroccan Pilot are equipped with the latest JHMCS II helmet mounted cueing system which not only looks better, it is a step ahead than the Sura HMCS used by Su and MiG pilots

#crew

At best this is questionable, but RMAF pilots do train with the best (USAF). Air forces train with their weapons supplier and the Russian air force performance are laid bare for everyone to see. But until an actual Morocco v Algeria war happens this is at best guessing.


Next : NAVY

Navies firepower in WW1 and WW2 are measured in their throw weight, while modern navy firepower are measured by the battle force missile (BFM).

BFMs are missiles that “contribute to battle force missions such as area and local air defense, anti-surface warfare, and anti-submarine warfare. Terminal defense SAMs, which protect only the host ship, are not considered a battle force missile.” Thus, weapons like RAM, ESSM, SA-N-9, Mistral, and HHQ-10 point defense SAMs would not count toward the tally of BFM. (source)



Looking at the BFM , Algeria won in every measures.

  • 2x Meko A200 = 32x RBS-15MK3
  • 3x Adhafer =24x C-802
  • 1x Kalaat Bani Abbes = 8 Aster 30 Area defense missile
  • 4 x Kilo 636 = 16 Kalibr SLCM

Total BFM = 80

Morroccan Navy :

  • 2x Floreal FFL = 4 Exocet MM.38
  • 1x FREMM = 8 Exocet MM40
  • 1x Sigma 10513 = 8 Exocet MM40
  • 2x Sigma 9813 = 8 Exocet MM40

Total BFM =28

As good as F-16s are and lot of other gear Morocco has.......

...... how does morocco make them survivable past an iskander strike on the (few + known) airbases (and naval bases for ships) that hold them?

The opening moves of the wargaming overall favour Algeria heavily IMO....till Morocco gains credible capability and counters to this tier.

IMO, for forseeable current conflict window......Algeria's objectives will likely be (after the first strike advantage) to grab land in disputed/contested border zones and try punish morocco's military and infrastructure as much as possible. I.e tactical and punitive quick war.

I do not see either side having the long drawn out logistics, force sizes and funding for a longer strategic war.

Overall (for purpose of this hypothetical exercise) I am keeping sandbox for just the two countries and little to no foreign allies + assistance etc.
 

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Man, the only thing I want to say is Muslim countries should never fight each other. 😭

NEVER EVER fight your brother. Enemies love it and they are the only ones who win.

Eat couscous, calm down and revitalize the brotherhood.

Countries should never fight each other....period. Muslim or not is irrelevant on this (what about a, b , c other identities?)

There is basic human identity and existence we all share and we all know what life and death is in the end....what basic good and bad are....

War is antithesis of this at a terrible scale.

But we have a reality (a deep hypocrisy) in the human psyche at large that we must take stock of and understand. War is part of that reality.

So that's why one can read, understand, analyse war and other disturbing topics.....but at same time wish it never had to happen and be against it happening anywhere.

This post I made earlier might be of use to you and others on this thread:

 

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As good as F-16s are and lot of other gear Morocco has.......

...... how does morocco make them survivable past an iskander strike on the (few + known) airbases (and naval bases for ships) that hold them?

The opening moves of the wargaming overall favour Algeria heavily IMO....till Morocco gains credible capability and counters to this tier.

IMO, for forseeable current conflict window......Algeria's objectives will likely be (after the first strike advantage) to grab land in disputed/contested border zones and try punish morocco's military and infrastructure as much as possible. I.e tactical and punitive quick war.

I do not see either side having the long drawn out logistics, force sizes and funding for a longer strategic war.

Overall (for purpose of this hypothetical exercise) I am keeping sandbox for just the two countries and little to no foreign allies + assistance etc.
First strike is indeed advantage but did you follow the armenia-azeri war? Did you witness how armenia used iskender against azerbaijan? Tell me what happend? If first strike really have such a BIG impact then i will say that the tb2 will have a even bigger impact. Its really important to look at the geopraphics of morocco. It will be extremely hard for algeria to invade.
 

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First strike is indeed advantage but did you follow the armenia-azeri war? Did you witness how armenia used iskender against azerbaijan? Tell me what happend? If first strike really have such a BIG impact then i will say that the tb2 will have a even bigger impact. Its really important to look at the geopraphics of morocco. It will be extremely hard for algeria to invade.

Azerbaijan was in very close proximity to Armenia range wise, so there was little benefit to iskandar compared to say regular rocket artillery. It ended up being more nominal deterrence value at most....and Azerbaijan called it out (especially given the specific tactics Azerbaijan developed in last couple decades to counter this kind of thing in more confined battlespace size).

Thats all part of the why/how Azerbaijan invested heavily into TB2 and harpy to efficiently take out assets Armenia had (even back line assets essentially were always front line)....knowing the ranges and asset concentration involved in just few specific areas.....and such UAVs are also easily spread around operation wise and not reliant on airbase infra etc that the opponent might take out with its own strike assets.

Morocco and Algeria the distances and context are very different....enough for their to be marked difference in more realised favourable force value of an iskandar....especially if you have only a handful of airbases and harbours to strike and opponent has not hedged enough of a counter.

Algeria has some 48 launchers... 4 regiments of 12 each apparently. It is clear they have got this for infra targetting at distance to buy enough scope for a push in border zones.

Morocco has not evolved an open answer to these that I can see. There are grey/closed/secret options available but these get very specific in nature and very dependent on how the conflict even starts.

Further invasion of morocco past that I agree with you overal.....i.e I doubt they can sustain, the distances and fiscal need become large and harder to overcome. Morocco will have lot more options at its disposal for countering that (even in worst case scenario) as it will be defenders advantage the further the opponent pushes.
 

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I have looked globally both countries when it comes to landforces i think both countries have state of the art weapons like SAM. Artillery and rest of the equipment is equal, but when it comes to Command and Control or Radar systems Morocco do it better. Still do not believe Turkey have sold Koral to Morocco, if that is correct then the edge will shift to Marocco. Both countries do not have strategic EW/ED systems, nobody will give that for sure.

With airforces Morrocan do it better, Algerians do not have AWACS. You can have the best fighter but if you don't have Eye in the Sky then it does not mean much against a enemy with Eye. Both have UAV but how many do have is not clear, air to air weapons and all other stuff is equal. Both do not have cruise missiles, or ther is not information about it.

Navy is a bit strange, Morroco have good ships but do not have submarine so the Algerian navy is stronger.

Outcome looks like in favor of Morrocco, i hope a war never break out between two countries.
first thing The Algerian land forces are completely superior to their Moroccan counterparts and i'll explain it why in several points

- in In self-propelled artillery.. Algeria operate the PLZ-45 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer System armed with chinese GP6 laser-guided + russian Krasnopol-M2 and south african Assegai V-LAP + the standard ammunition of the PLZ-45....
the PLZ-45 is also equipped with a C2I command and control system and integrated with chinese Type 704A/BL904 and russian 1L260-E counter-battery radars

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PLZ-45 Simulator with commande and controle Room

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-beside the PLZ-45 algerian army also operate the modernized 2S3M1 Akatsiya 152mm self-propelled gun Equipped with Krasnopol laser-guided projectiles
- The third self-propelled gun used by the Algerian army is 2S1 Gvozdika Which was developed with Poland to the same standard of 2S1T Goździk ....although both 2S1 Gvozdika / 2S3M1 Akatsiya are being replaced by more modern self-propelled gun such as the PLZ-45..


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- As for towed artillery algeria operate the chinese AH-1 and the modern AH-2 long range 155mm self-propelled howitzer compatible with all standard 155 mm NATO ammunition .. and we also still use the old soviet d-30 122-mm howitzer Which are currently loaded on Mercedes Zetros trucks to increase their mobility .

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- Now let's talk about mortars Which we use several types of it ,and the Most notable are the Norinco SM4-120mm 6x6 self-propelled mortar.. The mortar is coupled to a ballistic computer and a computerized fire-control system (FCS) and C2 command and control system and armed with GP4/GP9 semi-active laser munitions .

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the Second mortat in the inventory of algerian army are the new chinese 120mm mobile mortar manufactured by Chengdu Lingchuan Special Industry based on the chasis of our locally made Nimr HAFEET 640A the mortar is equipped with an inertial navigation system and a battlefield control system.


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other significant mortar are 120 Mm W86 mobile mortar Installed on a Mercedes G-Class The vehicle has an inertial and GPS positioning system and radio and satellite communications systems.

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