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After Pulwama, Doval’s office & RAW relied on 2 foreign journalists to talk to ISI, book claims​

Journalists Adrian Levy and Cathy Scott-Clark claim in their new book that Pakistan denied involvement in the 2019 Pulwama attack, something Indian agencies didn’t believe.​

ANANYA BHARDWAJ 12 August, 2021 4:22 pm IST


New Delhi: A senior official from National Security Advisor (NSA) Ajit Doval’s office and the Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) exchanged messages with officials of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) through two foreign journalists — Adrian Levy and Cathy Scott-Clark — in the 2018-19 period, a new book written by the duo has claimed.
According to the book, back-channel talks also took place following the Pulwama attack in February 2019 that killed about 40 CRPF personnel.


The book claims that ISI officials distanced themselves from the attack, saying it was planned in Afghanistan. They also denied the Indian charges that the suicide bomber, Adil Dar, a Kashmiri, was “launched from Pakistan”.
The book, Spy Stories: Inside the Secret World of The R.A.W (R&AW) and I.S.I, which is releasing this week, claims that Indian agencies did not believe the Pakistani messages and maintained that the Jaish-e-Mohammed, allegedly backed by Islamabad, had “armed Dar” and so was responsible for the attack.
The journalists have also written that Islamabad reiterated that carrying out such an attack would “push Pakistan over the edge — from greylist to blacklist in at the Financial Action Task Force (F.A.T.F.) in Paris” and cited “blacklisting, as one forceful reason for Pakistan having no direct involvement”. Indian agencies, though, did not believe them.



The journalists claim they had conversations with Lt Gen. Nusrat Naeem, the ISI’s former C-Wing chief; former RAW chief Rajinder Khanna, who is now a deputy NSA, and military defence official Lt Gen. Vinod Khandare.
The book states that Pakistan maintained it had nothing to do with the Jaish.
Referring to an exchange, the journalists have written that while they were on a call, messages arrived from “an I.S.I. officer in its A-Wing, the analysis section, that stressed that Jaish remained an I.S.I. target and was on its ‘kill list’”.

“We read one of these out to Khandare: ‘For the last sixteen years, after Jaish tried to repeatedly kill Musharraf and many other officers, the ISI has been hunting down its fighters and striking them. They are in our crosshairs – do not forget,” it claims.
Khandare, however, disagreed, the book claims.
“You know, terror has no reason or season,” the book quotes Khandare as having said. “Plans are seeded and then gestate. They go off like rockets on short fuses. Do not judge an atrocity by its timing. Judge Pakistan on its record. Pulwama bomber Adil Dar was a Kashmiri. True. But he was in the thrall of an outfit that has its bases inside Pakistan…”

According to the authors, NSA Ajit Doval “assured them” that a report on Pulwama was coming, and it “would lay bare” the ISI’s involvement.

According to the authors, India then carried out the Balakot air strikes, which Doval reportedly said was “pivotal for India”.
“What really matters is the operation itself, that India has changed its strategic calculations,” Doval is quoted as having said.

Also read: Afghan govt, regional strongmen plan alliance to fight Taliban & protect Mazar-e-Sharif, northern areas

‘Dirty cops’

Talking about the 2016 Pathankot airbase attack in which seven security personnel were killed, the authors claim that “corrupt local police officers were suspected of scouting the airbase”.
“Jaish had paid for the 350 kilos of explosives but they had been procured in India and the haul was waiting for the raiding party on the Indian side,” the book claims. “Indian allies, including corrupt local police officers, were suspected of scouting the airbase.”
According to the authors, one “dirty” cop had found an area where there were “multiple vulnerabilities: the floodlights were down, and the C.C.T.V. cameras had no coverage. There was no surveillance equipment of any kind and a large tree grew beside the perimeter wall that one written report identified as a security hazard.”
According to the authors, an Intelligence Bureau (IB) officer also told them that the police officer or one of his collaborators had “climbed up and attached a rope”.
“The raiders had used it to heave over 50 kilos of ammunition, and 30 kilos of grenades, mortars, and AK-47s,” the IB officer is quoted as having said.
The book also says that several key pieces of protection were “missing”, “despite constant warnings”.
“More than 91 kilometres of the Punjab border was not fenced. At least four reports had suggested that rivers (and dry creaks) were vulnerable spots, but no nets were pegged across them,” the authors quoted a BSF officer as having told them. “There were no extra patrols, despite six written requests. Surveillance technology and movement trackers had not been deployed. The B.S.F. was thin on the ground because it concentrated its activities in Kashmir, and its requests for more men had been ignored, repeatedly.”
(Edited by Arun Prashanth)

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After Pulwama, Doval’s office & RAW relied on 2 foreign journalists to talk to ISI, book claims​

Journalists Adrian Levy and Cathy Scott-Clark claim in their new book that Pakistan denied involvement in the 2019 Pulwama attack, something Indian agencies didn’t believe.​

ANANYA BHARDWAJ 12 August, 2021 4:22 pm IST


New Delhi: A senior official from National Security Advisor (NSA) Ajit Doval’s office and the Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) exchanged messages with officials of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) through two foreign journalists — Adrian Levy and Cathy Scott-Clark — in the 2018-19 period, a new book written by the duo has claimed.
According to the book, back-channel talks also took place following the Pulwama attack in February 2019 that killed about 40 CRPF personnel.


The book claims that ISI officials distanced themselves from the attack, saying it was planned in Afghanistan. They also denied the Indian charges that the suicide bomber, Adil Dar, a Kashmiri, was “launched from Pakistan”.
The book, Spy Stories: Inside the Secret World of The R.A.W (R&AW) and I.S.I, which is releasing this week, claims that Indian agencies did not believe the Pakistani messages and maintained that the Jaish-e-Mohammed, allegedly backed by Islamabad, had “armed Dar” and so was responsible for the attack.
The journalists have also written that Islamabad reiterated that carrying out such an attack would “push Pakistan over the edge — from greylist to blacklist in at the Financial Action Task Force (F.A.T.F.) in Paris” and cited “blacklisting, as one forceful reason for Pakistan having no direct involvement”. Indian agencies, though, did not believe them.



The journalists claim they had conversations with Lt Gen. Nusrat Naeem, the ISI’s former C-Wing chief; former RAW chief Rajinder Khanna, who is now a deputy NSA, and military defence official Lt Gen. Vinod Khandare.
The book states that Pakistan maintained it had nothing to do with the Jaish.
Referring to an exchange, the journalists have written that while they were on a call, messages arrived from “an I.S.I. officer in its A-Wing, the analysis section, that stressed that Jaish remained an I.S.I. target and was on its ‘kill list’”.

“We read one of these out to Khandare: ‘For the last sixteen years, after Jaish tried to repeatedly kill Musharraf and many other officers, the ISI has been hunting down its fighters and striking them. They are in our crosshairs – do not forget,” it claims.
Khandare, however, disagreed, the book claims.
“You know, terror has no reason or season,” the book quotes Khandare as having said. “Plans are seeded and then gestate. They go off like rockets on short fuses. Do not judge an atrocity by its timing. Judge Pakistan on its record. Pulwama bomber Adil Dar was a Kashmiri. True. But he was in the thrall of an outfit that has its bases inside Pakistan…”

According to the authors, NSA Ajit Doval “assured them” that a report on Pulwama was coming, and it “would lay bare” the ISI’s involvement.

According to the authors, India then carried out the Balakot air strikes, which Doval reportedly said was “pivotal for India”.
“What really matters is the operation itself, that India has changed its strategic calculations,” Doval is quoted as having said.

Also read: Afghan govt, regional strongmen plan alliance to fight Taliban & protect Mazar-e-Sharif, northern areas

‘Dirty cops’

Talking about the 2016 Pathankot airbase attack in which seven security personnel were killed, the authors claim that “corrupt local police officers were suspected of scouting the airbase”.
“Jaish had paid for the 350 kilos of explosives but they had been procured in India and the haul was waiting for the raiding party on the Indian side,” the book claims. “Indian allies, including corrupt local police officers, were suspected of scouting the airbase.”
According to the authors, one “dirty” cop had found an area where there were “multiple vulnerabilities: the floodlights were down, and the C.C.T.V. cameras had no coverage. There was no surveillance equipment of any kind and a large tree grew beside the perimeter wall that one written report identified as a security hazard.”
According to the authors, an Intelligence Bureau (IB) officer also told them that the police officer or one of his collaborators had “climbed up and attached a rope”.
“The raiders had used it to heave over 50 kilos of ammunition, and 30 kilos of grenades, mortars, and AK-47s,” the IB officer is quoted as having said.
The book also says that several key pieces of protection were “missing”, “despite constant warnings”.
“More than 91 kilometres of the Punjab border was not fenced. At least four reports had suggested that rivers (and dry creaks) were vulnerable spots, but no nets were pegged across them,” the authors quoted a BSF officer as having told them. “There were no extra patrols, despite six written requests. Surveillance technology and movement trackers had not been deployed. The B.S.F. was thin on the ground because it concentrated its activities in Kashmir, and its requests for more men had been ignored, repeatedly.”
(Edited by Arun Prashanth)

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After the airstrikes and subsequent capture of Abhinandan, I know of London based Pak journalists desperately trying to get in touch with any Indian politicians to defuse the situation.
 

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After the airstrikes and subsequent capture of Abhinandan, I know of London based Pak journalists desperately trying to get in touch with any Indian politicians to defuse the situation.
The thing is there is very less information about DIA in media and these even get interview of Ex DIA chief.

Any article related to that desperate journalist , the onlthy i knew is India has started filling propellants in Prithvi and Brahmos movement started happening in Rajasthan
 

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Best part of article :

“Doval called us back,” write the authors about gaining clearance for the project, quoting the NSA as saying that “There is no detail that is too small when it comes to the ISI. I need to study every scintilla. They are our forever enemy and we can never, ever know enough.”
 

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@Paro keep a watch on what the west will do to Pakistan in the coming years. Pakistan is bound to see pre 2010 lawlessness in the tribal areas.
There is already a massive influx of Afghans on their western border...not to mention the millions of Afghan refugees currently residing in pak. That itself will make the region chaotic
 

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Pakistan on Saturday called out Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi for "distorting history" after he announced that August 14 — Pakistan's Independence Day — will be observed as "Partition Horrors Remembrance Day" in India.

As Pakistan celebrated its 75th day of independence, the Indian prime minister took to Twitter to make the controversial announcement.




His ability to troll Pakistan without even mentioning the word "Pakistan" is truly exceptional.
 

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Pakistan on Saturday called out Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi for "distorting history" after he announced that August 14 — Pakistan's Independence Day — will be observed as "Partition Horrors Remembrance Day" in India.

As Pakistan celebrated its 75th day of independence, the Indian prime minister took to Twitter to make the controversial announcement.




His ability to troll Pakistan without even mentioning the word "Pakistan" is truly exceptional.
I thought he was actually trolling Congress
But seems like some Pakistanis really get **** on their own faces even if its thrown on others
 
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@Jackdaws pro/anti modi in a India pak thread? Why

@Lonewolf and @Jackdaws Do you guys really think that in an online discussion either side will be able to convince the other that their political beliefs are wrong? if not why waste bandwidth arguing Modi over here?
 

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Pakistan on Saturday called out Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi for "distorting history" after he announced that August 14 — Pakistan's Independence Day — will be observed as "Partition Horrors Remembrance Day" in India.

As Pakistan celebrated its 75th day of independence, the Indian prime minister took to Twitter to make the controversial announcement.




His ability to troll Pakistan without even mentioning the word "Pakistan" is truly exceptional.

you forget that Imran khan "Niazi" while inaugurating that kartarpur corridor...
 

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That is his name. I think they are related anyways

Yup and he stressed on "Niazi" with hidden reference to surrender of 71. He was Imran uncle though in reallity... we are talking of trolling :)

Nobody calls imran via his surname!
 

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@Jackdaws pro/anti modi in a India pak thread? Why

@Lonewolf and @Jackdaws Do you guys really think that in an online discussion either side will be able to convince the other that their political beliefs are wrong? if not why waste bandwidth arguing Modi over here?

The internal political discussion has been moved to appropriate thread:

 

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Solar +nuclear should be used in Rajasthan atleast ,i am living ther and lot of land is waste here , if utilised properly it will be boon for us , we should cover areas somewhat near border too , so if enemy tries to enter ,he have to take down lot of obstacles . And we can plant mines in between to give maximum damage .
 

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Solar +nuclear should be used in Rajasthan atleast ,i am living ther and lot of land is waste here , if utilised properly it will be boon for us , we should cover areas somewhat near border too , so if enemy tries to enter ,he have to take down lot of obstacles . And we can plant mines in between to give maximum damage .
Solar farms need regular maintenance which involves a lot of civilians working there. Planting mines would only be dangerous for em and even if we create dedicated paths for civilians to tread upon/provide info on the mine locations...there is a good chance pak intel agencies can bribe the local folks to identify these landmine areas. Also, I'm sure we would've mined the IB in crucial areas
 

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Solar farms need regular maintenance which involves a lot of civilians working there. Planting mines would only be dangerous for em and even if we create dedicated paths for civilians to tread upon/provide info on the mine locations...there is a good chance pak intel agencies can bribe the local folks to identify these landmine areas. Also, I'm sure we would've mined the IB in crucial areas
I mean just before war we can place them , not in regular use
 

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I mean just before war we can place them , not in regular use
and you think the opposition can't find out when we make any irregular movements closer to the border!!
 

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and you think the opposition can't find out when we make any irregular movements closer to the border!!
They can but still they need to cross over them ,and will spend hours removing few mines among many decoys .

So overall it would give us time to react
 

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