India India - Sri Lanka Relations

[HTurk]

How close is Sri Lanka to [South] India culturally?

 

[Nilgiri]

How close is Sri Lanka to [South] India culturally?

Quite close as you can imagine. The tamils there are our (Indian Tamil) close kin.

The Sinhala have kept an indo-european language (by way of the Pali canon et al) this far south given their buddhism....which is quite interesting long story to get into. It is large part of their unique cultural identity. But they are also quite intricately linked with South India as a whole in various underlying ways.

 

[Rajendra Chola]

India is spending close to 2.5B for SL.to help it tide it's.crises. China has agreed to debt rollover of 4,B actually. BD has given 500m.
India should extract guarantee that 18th amendment as promised to India is implemented and fishing rights around Katchateevu even if the island couldn't be got again.

 

[Merzifonlu]

@Nilgiri

Is LTTE still active, and what has been its long term impact on Sri lanka India relations?

 

[HTurk]

@Nilgiri

Is LTTE still active, and what has been its long term impact on Sri lanka India relations?

Btw, they're allies of PKK. There are many statements and documented meetings between the two groups especially in Europe.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Btw, they're allies of PKK. There are many statements and documented meetings between the two groups especially in Europe.

Of course it does. Both are terrorists of the Europe. Brothers&brothers talked.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Nilgiri

Is LTTE still active, and what has been its long term impact on Sri lanka India relations?

LTTE is finished force. It of course has its proponents spread around, those things dont go away so easily.

The long term impact has been it has both distanced and brought SL closer to India in various ways (given the long story of India's involvement in the inter-ethnic disputes of Sri Lanka in the modern republic era, while trying to form a larger relationship at same time).

It was India that was first to declare the LTTE a terrorist group (before Sri Lanka itself even did) after it assassinated Rajiv Gandhi.

 

[Nilgiri]

Btw, they're allies of PKK. There are many statements and documented meetings between the two groups especially in Europe.

PKK, IRA, LTTE, FARC, PLO etc etc, they all had various dalliances in that era....because they involved the same arms trafficking smuggling groups essentially.

 

[Merzifonlu]

PKK, IRA, LTTE, FARC, PLO etc etc, they all had various dalliances in that era....because they involved the same arms trafficking smuggling groups essentially.

@Nilgiri; First of all, thank you so much for answer. You are my man!

The partnerships of PKK and LTTE are not that simple. Yes, they may be working with the same arms dealers, but both terrorist organizations are protected and financed by the "European Establishment".

 

[HTurk]

Sri Lanka Army honours its Indian 'guru' who helped them combat LTTE three decades ago

At the invitation of their Defence Ministry, Sandhu visited Sri Lanka from March 2 to March 10 this year and visited the Sri Lankan Military Academy in Diyatalawa., India News, Times Now

www.timesnownews.com

 

[Nilgiri]

Exactly.... this stuff is incredibly complicated stuff I have found (things close to me and those I have gotten into since of this nature).




I'm not talking about support for "Azaadi" (whatever that even meant and means to each Kashmiri)....Im precisely referring to the support to brutality towards the Pandits...and any defenceless person in general.

Maybe you are also confusing this same thing on what I am precisely asking about the Tamils of Sri Lanka vis a vis the LTTE (i.e final full support to the brutalities on defenceless people....when cognisance on this was established commensurately).

Consider what this one says (its not the only one):

How Sri Lanka Won the War

Lessons in strategy from an overlooked victory

thediplomat.com

300,000 / 2 million = ?%

That % is enough to extend seamlessly and concretely?

How many Tamils (NOT Indian Tamils) lived in colombo (originally of own volition/legacy or forced to move there by LTTE and proxies) in say the 80s/90s/00s do you think?...esp when you add the Moors in?

They were fervent LTTE supporters (given they are not in the LTTE controlled area which is surely an important reference to have)?

What was their overall and sustained ability to go on with their lives like (with large sinhala majority near/around them) during this period of grave LTTE terrorism?

...and why was that?

Some day (if you want more perspective) go ask a wise Turk about the number of Kurds living in Istanbul...past and present....during the worst episodes of the story even.


Read this in depth when you have time if you will (written in 2000 near the apex of LTTE territory control):

Welcome to UTHRJ

Sri Lanka, human rights, Jaffna, LTTE, Tamil Eelam, Eelam, armed groups, uthr, uthrj, Rajani, Thiranagama, child soldiers, suicide, Prabaharan, Vellupillai, armed conflict, civil war, Rajan, Hoole, Tamils, Singhalese, Buddhist, Sinhalese, Sinhala, Thamil, EPRLF, EROS, PLOT,TELO, Army...

web.archive.org

Murdered in 1989, what was her story?

Rajani Thiranagama - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So I ask again, were ALL (or even a plurality) the Tamils of Sri Lanka assuredly supportive of and/or complicit in the heinous actions of LTTE? (Especially as these actions reached them over time past the info-barriers and doctrination methods LTTE put up)

You say you spoke to a few lankan tamils.....was it enough to form your impression?

How many Lankan Tamils do you think I have talked to?...in the mother tongue....and was that enough for the impression I formed?

You know how many times this kind of convo has happened on my end in foreign shores with surface headline/impression types?

Oh you are Indian?
Yes.
Where in India?
I'm Tamil
OHHH...hehe, Tamil Tigers
*bites lip*...(no)

- Right from fairly young age tbh...I had to deal with this BS.

How actions of so few indelibly have stained the whole lot of us in eyes of all too many...


I always wondered how many Kashmiris also have to live with same thing ...always having to explain, having to be on the defensive....and seem like a terrorist to someone when you explain the other side of things...

It helps and heals?.... or harms?


Within those that are (whatever the hypothetical % is) ....How many (further) get held hostage or have to make do with complexes and syndromes formed by a web of extremism permeating around them?

i.e is it purely a voluntary fair decision making to assign complicity in this nebulous area?....with grievances in the head resting as they do as well in however many?

You seem to think there is some easy answer to this to collectively apportion blame on the entirety....like you deeply lived among and surveyed such people.

This misunderstanding is the exact main thing that often fed and feeds into agnihotri's psyche (or its emboldening, acceptance and normalisation) and the central-chauvinism "majoritarian might makes right" ego at large that props it up.

i.e what takes larger proportions there (compared to diverse individuals)...of narratives of simple blunt problems (of the whole) needing simple blunt solutions (on the whole).

If you are truly interested in this subject at large.....you will also have to do a deep delve into Ireland* w.r.t what extremist-complicity actually was on all sides involved.

It is very easy to reductively split the entire thing into orange order vs extreme sinn feinn ...and only cherry pick and weight the worst episodes of both on the larger population.

But you would be wrong to do so.

Easy answers are generally the wrong answers (copied or learned only by rote)....hence why the need for "show your work".

What was the proper, fair and rational answer for Kashmir post 1948?....remains the main question rather than insert into a small slice.

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*As much as orange order et al. tried/tries vis a vis sinn feinn et al, is there today severe bloody revolt in derry and other areas of N. Eire?...given the context there that has precipitated such in the past?...and the memories still fresh about it?

Why? Whats changed? People get weary over time you know...."with their tanks and their bombs and their bombs and their guns...in your head, in your head they are fighting..." as Dolores expressed...

I think her other great song "do you have to let it linger" is even deeper/darker/haunting one in the end than it may outwardly may seem...

Can any feeling be turned on and off like a lightbulb?

But many many people do understand such things subconsciously in the end.... that is often all too easy to dismiss with enough distance away from them....

You have to give every population of the world benefit of this doubt in the end....especially if you have given it to your own to begin with.

There are lot of them here in Canada, settled and doing quite well overall. Quite politically active too in bi/tri partisan way even.

I made friends with lot of them....and made enemies with others....and all in between.

One of nicest kindest guys I have known...was in my college, a Lankan Tamil.

On other end in same college, I saw despicable pro-LTTE posters plastered in the uni centre main building of all places.

I ripped them down, and got bashed up later for it (someone saw and snitched)....by my own fellow Tamils.

There is some % of LTTE thugs here. It is not pretty thing what resides a long time in hearts and minds....as much promise and goodness that lies with others of same group.

@merzifonlu @HTurk these were cpl posts that may interest you to read on subject of LTTE from my perspective. The last couple pages (of that thread - Kashmir files - you can use the quote arrows to get there) provide the context w.r.t some of the Kashmir story as well as to why I brought it up there (along with Ireland).

 

[ABee]

A bad corrupt administration....taking on useless white elephant projects and terrible fiscal policies over prolonged period of time (when the economy seemed healthier....but still had underlying problems that were neglected).

Means rainy day situation hits them real hard now....have to (capital account) service the debt that comes due and your (current) earnings are slim. So belt tightening and negotiating in position of weakness.

Small countries (no matter how much role model they were before) are vulnerable to this extra hard (very little buffer saved).

I mean just look at Argentine history....relative to its wealth + dev.

What good we get by bailing them out like this? Next is Nepal, they already have started putting cap on imports. One heck of a neighborhood

 

[Zapper]

What good we get by bailing them out like this? Next is Nepal, they already have started putting cap on imports. One heck of a neighborhood

Ensuring they don't become chinese puppets like pakistan

 

[Nilgiri]

What good we get by bailing them out like this? Next is Nepal, they already have started putting cap on imports. One heck of a neighborhood

Important to show the larger public there we were there for them. Besides it concerned essentials from indian side anyway rather than liquid money (to be used for loan repayment etc).

Now they have to act against their thugs and chuavinists and do their bit.

 

[Nilgiri]

concerned essentials from indian side

Grateful To "Big Brother" India For Help: Lankan Cricket Icon Jayasuriya

Calling India a "big brother", former Sri Lankan cricketer Sanath Jayasuriya lauded the Indian government and Prime Minister Narendra Modi for sending help to the island nation as it battles the worst economic crisis since independence.

www.ndtv.com

India has supplied over 270,000 MT fuel to Sri Lanka so far to help ease the power crisis in the island country which is witnessing acute power cuts. Sri Lanka is battling a severe economic crisis with food and fuel scarcity affecting a large number of the people in the island nation. The economy has been in a free-fall since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.

"Indian credit line for fuel at work!!! One consignment each of 36,000 MT petrol and 40,000 MT diesel was delivered to Sri Lanka in the last 24 hours. Total supply of various types of fuel under Indian assistance now stands at more than 270,000 MT," the Indian embassy in Colombo tweeted.

Sri Lanka's National Eye Hospital Director expressed his gratitude to India for providing medicines as the nation facing its shortage and said that the timely help has ensured the functioning of the health facilities.

"Most of our drugs are coming from India under Indian credit line, and more supply will come to us in near future. It is a great help for us. I thank India for the support," Dr Dammika, Director of National Eye Hospital Colombo told ANI.

 

[Gessler]

Grateful To "Big Brother" India For Help: Lankan Cricket Icon Jayasuriya

Calling India a "big brother", former Sri Lankan cricketer Sanath Jayasuriya lauded the Indian government and Prime Minister Narendra Modi for sending help to the island nation as it battles the worst economic crisis since independence.

www.ndtv.com

India has supplied over 270,000 MT fuel to Sri Lanka so far to help ease the power crisis in the island country which is witnessing acute power cuts. Sri Lanka is battling a severe economic crisis with food and fuel scarcity affecting a large number of the people in the island nation. The economy has been in a free-fall since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.

"Indian credit line for fuel at work!!! One consignment each of 36,000 MT petrol and 40,000 MT diesel was delivered to Sri Lanka in the last 24 hours. Total supply of various types of fuel under Indian assistance now stands at more than 270,000 MT," the Indian embassy in Colombo tweeted.

Sri Lanka's National Eye Hospital Director expressed his gratitude to India for providing medicines as the nation facing its shortage and said that the timely help has ensured the functioning of the health facilities.

"Most of our drugs are coming from India under Indian credit line, and more supply will come to us in near future. It is a great help for us. I thank India for the support," Dr Dammika, Director of National Eye Hospital Colombo told ANI.

Unfortunately the gratitude will last all of 2 months.

 

[Nilgiri]

Only India is giving us money for fuel, says Sri Lankan PM Ranil Wickremesinghe - Times of India

South Asia News: Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe said on Wednesday that no country except India is providing money to the crisis-hit island nation for fuel. In his

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[Nilgiri]

lol :

China says India made ‘great efforts’ to help Sri Lanka; South Asia remains its priority | World News - The Indian Express

India has rushed about USD 3 billion in assistance in the form of line credit and other modes to help Sri Lanka which has virtually declared insolvency and defaulted on all foreign loans.

indianexpress.com

Highlighted context:

China on Wednesday praised India for making “great efforts” to help Colombo to tide over its worst financial crisis even as it refuted Sri Lankan President Gotabaya Rajapaksa’s remarks that Beijing has shifted its strategic focus from South Asia including Pakistan to South East Asia, saying the region still remained its priority.


and:

In an interview to Bloomberg on Monday, Rajapaksa said that Sri Lanka couldn’t tap a USD 1.5 billion (credit line from Beijing) and has yet to hear back on his request to President Xi Jinping for a USD one billion loan to buy essential goods.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yeah probably once or twice a year to make a point. They always have around 2-3 survey ships I think in Indian ocean streching from djiboti to Indonesia.

both are tailed by either IN or USN ships in IOR always.

Currently going on:

South Indian ports, infra may come on radar of Chinese 'Yuan Wang 5'

The aerial reach of the ship is more than 750 km and that would indirectly mean that Kalpakkam, Koodankulam, and the atomic research centre within Indian borders can be snooped upon. The ship can track ports of Kerala, Tamil Nadu, and Andhra Pradesh. As many as six South Indian ports will be...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Paro]

Currently going on:

South Indian ports, infra may come on radar of Chinese 'Yuan Wang 5'

The aerial reach of the ship is more than 750 km and that would indirectly mean that Kalpakkam, Koodankulam, and the atomic research centre within Indian borders can be snooped upon. The ship can track ports of Kerala, Tamil Nadu, and Andhra Pradesh. As many as six South Indian ports will be...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

If my guess is right it won’t dock in srilanka.

in any good sense its a suicidal for srilanka to give entry to that ship at the moment.