Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Gary]

Is there any capability that the E-7 has but E-2(D) not? Except bigger radar maybe?

Higher operating altitude, resulting in better coverage against low altitude targets like cruise missile.

 

[Umigami]

Is there any capability that the E-7 has but E-2(D) not? Except bigger radar maybe?

the most obvious for me is It has more console, more crew, and rest quarter, it has much better work share mean E7 can handle bigger and much more complex operation.

 

[FPXAllen]

Is there any capability that the E-7 has but E-2(D) not? Except bigger radar maybe?

Higher operating altitude, resulting in better coverage against low altitude targets like cruise missile.

How about loitering time? Although with AAR this is kind of a moot point, and the E2D needs more AAR for the same endurance.

 

[Gary]

How about loitering time? Although with AAR this is kind of a moot point, and the E2D needs more AAR for the same endurance.

This could be solved by rotating planes in the sky, more planes= more assets to rotate.

anyway, do not assume, once we got our hands on one, then miraculously the Indonesia air force is suddenly in the league of USAF, RAAF or even RSAF when it comes to operational tactics, there's a lot more concern with how we intend to use this instead of mere loitering time.

 

[Umigami]

How about loitering time? Although with AAR this is kind of a moot point, and the E2D needs more AAR for the same endurance.

Ah yeah... about AAR, We don't have boom type yet so that's a plus for E2.

 

[Parry Brima]

Is there any capability that the E-7 has but E-2(D) not? Except bigger radar maybe?

E2D doesn't seem to have combat management capability as they send the data to be processed by aircraft carrier (cmiiw).

 

[Anmdt]

Re: Early warning aircraft.

Although I can understand the appeal of the E7 and other, similarly expensive options, I tend to agree with @AlphaMike reasoning. IMHO, we need planes with good radar coverage and/or decent performance in more numbers rather than the ones with better radar and/or performance that we can't afford to buy more than two.

Having more EW aircraft on patrol can provide more data not to mention that there are backups that are still available on their base(s) for any contingency.

Besides, if we talk about the technological level of the airframe, Hawkeye is still within our scope if we want to - say - build the EW version of CN-235 someday.

I also would like to say that E-2 may use shorter or even unpaved runways in comparison to the jet AWACS. It is both flexibility and a factor to confuse the enemy. They won't be able to predict where it may land, or take off, at least as easy as for a jet AWACS case.

 

[Lordimperator]

Is there any capability that the E-7 has but E-2(D) not? Except bigger radar maybe?

Toilet.

 

[schuimpjes]

Toilet.

Small but important for airmen morale wkwk

 

[Madokafc]

btw, there is study about which one and type of platform about Indonesian future AWACS /AEW aircraft. The study Made by joint profesional from Airforce and UNHAN, and they are independen study not under business affiliate.

There is several important points they highlight for a while

Indonesian Air Force need long legged platform, operating from major bases etc. Makassar, Jakarta or Madiun in which already held excellent support facilities to support their operational needs. This would enable the Air Force to simplify their logistic distribution and needs. As their operational range can cover large area without stopping in the middle as they are likely would be operated far away from their main bases to the intended area needed the cover and then RTB.

Second, high performance platform and system would enabled Indonesian Air Force to support and executed complex situation and challenge they needed to cope. And the most likely adversary they face is kind of power who had plethora of complex AEW capability itself.

Third there is a big reason why MoD pursue very costly long legged platform fighter and as where they would perform in near future already clear as Indonesia is has high concern about South China Sea issue. If the AEW platform they chose is kind of shortlegged platform that's effort would be kinda meaningless.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594629307556847617

Of all aircraft on their inventory, why they have to came with this one?

Doomsday, earthquake, hmmm....

 

[Madokafc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594629307556847617

Of all aircraft on their inventory, why they have to came with this one?

Doomsday, earthquake, hmmm....

Those aircraft has excellent facilities

 

[Umigami]

btw, there is study about which one and type of platform about Indonesian future AWACS /AEW aircraft. The study Made by joint profesional from Airforce and UNHAN, and they are independen study not under business affiliate.

There is several important points they highlight for a while

Indonesian Air Force need long legged platform, operating from major bases etc. Makassar, Jakarta or Madiun in which already held excellent support facilities to support their operational needs. This would enable the Air Force to simplify their logistic distribution and needs. As their operational range can cover large area without stopping in the middle as they are likely would be operated far away from their main bases to the intended area needed the cover and then RTB.

Second, high performance platform and system would enabled Indonesian Air Force to support and executed complex situation and challenge they needed to cope. And the most likely adversary they face is kind of power who had plethora of complex AEW capability itself.

Third there is a big reason why MoD pursue very costly long legged platform fighter and as where they would perform in near future already clear as Indonesia is has high concern about South China Sea issue. If the AEW platform they chose is kind of shortlegged platform that's effort would be kinda meaningless.

It has to be big jet powered platform then?

 

[Madokafc]

It has to be big jet powered platform then?

That's more like it

They Airforce already Drew the how they would use and operating the platform from the long time lesson of their Boeing surveilance aircraft. So they already have the picture

Kind of G550 with AEW/C would be good too

 

[Umigami]

That's more like it

They Airforce already Drew the how they would use and operating the platform from the long time lesson of their Boeing surveilance aircraft. So they already have the picture

After what happen with their MRTT program, I hope they get what they want this time.

 

[Gary]

I also would like to say that E-2 may use shorter or even unpaved runways in comparison to the jet AWACS. It is both flexibility and a factor to confuse the enemy. They won't be able to predict where it may land, or take off, at least as easy as for a jet AWACS case.

Bingo. I'm thinking the same, I'm not sure Indonesian airbase will survive long enough, the USAF is going decentralized in preparation for a China fight, I wonder why any country goes the opposite by centralizing their support equipment in big permanent site.

There's also the + of having tail hook just in case it need to land on our many short airfield.

Here's what the US imagine the future war with China looks like.

Army prepares for dispersed warfare with high casualties

The space in which the Russians are conducting combat operations is about 150 times as large as the National Training Center.

www.armytimes.com

3rd Marine Aircraft Wing trains for modern island hopping campaign

Marines and Sailors with 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing participate in an island hopping campaign as part of advanced naval base training during Exercise Summer Fury 21. With assets positioned across the

www.marines.mil

often makes the unexamined assumption during tactically oriented exercises that air power will always be available and operable. Yet the growing threat from precision attacks by near-peer precision attacks suggests that may not be the case.

Just as armies have been forced to use mobility, dispersal, concealment, and deception in their maneuver to increase survivability, the Air Force must do the same at its future bases. Survivable maneuver will require exploiting numerous runways located throughout the world and the ability to quickly refurbish these fields and make them capable of supporting dispersed air operations. This requires significantly reducing dependence on long, smooth runways and elaborate support measures that require vast stores of readily available spare parts and large numbers of personnel.

The Air Base: The Air Force’s Achilles’ Heel? | Air & Space Forces Magazine

History shows the Air Force needs a new approach to forward basing.

www.airandspaceforces.com

 

[Lordimperator]

Kind of G550 with AEW/C would be good too

Like the RSAF?

 

[schuimpjes]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594629307556847617

Of all aircraft on their inventory, why they have to came with this one?

Doomsday, earthquake, hmmm....

Looks like he always go anywhere with that plane

 

[schuimpjes]

Kind of G550 with AEW/C would be good too

This one gonna be chosen because it’s sexy. Plus sweet Israeli electronics, muah, perfect

 

[Madokafc]

US had capital and money for most of their planning, Indonesia is not. And how decentralized main assets can be done in Indonesia when everything is not in place and not in ideal condition. At least centralized base including logistic, maintenance and other facilities can Made the money deficient Air Force like Indonesia can put more resource to protect them like placing SAM assets, C-RAM like Skyshield, even fighter squadron.