Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Lordimperator]

all of the defense contracts will soon to be effective?
yeeehaaaa........

Rafale and etc...?

 

[Jhie_Oeng]

With the stamp of Indonesian president over those pages that means all of the defense contracts will soon to be effective?
yeeehaaaa........

I hope this covid pandemic doesn't ruin the plans that have been made

 

[Barjo_2]

Is that EDI UCAV

Helo tin man

 

[Chestnut]

You guys do realize that the $20,7 foreign credit cap set by SMI has pretty much stopped any Rafale deal from seriously happening before 2024 right? French equipment is notoriously expensive, French contractors tend to underbid their competitors just to secure the deal and only then balloon up the costs because of extra stuff that they like to put in AFTER they win the contract (look at India's Rafale deal, the Canadian CSC program, and more recently the Australian Sub Deal for example).

This goes for the F-15EX as well, there's no way they can afford a squadron's worth of airframes. If Prabowo keeps pushing for either of the two, the Air Force has to cancel all other projects like the MRSAM, GCI, AWACS, MRTT as well as mothball some of the Flankers since it will literally take up the entire portion of that cap that's set aside for the Air Force. And this is just for PROCURING them, don't get me started on keeping them airworthy.

The only fighters the Air Force can really buy in large numbers without putting a dent in their budget is literally either the F-16V or the F/A-50. I'm sure that SMI knows this, hence why the Rafale isn't on the blue book yet. Don't be blinded by nationalistic zeal and over optimism guys, follow the money trail because numbers don't lie.

 

[Umigami]

You guys do realize that the $20,7 foreign credit cap set by SMI has pretty much stopped any Rafale deal from seriously happening before 2024 right? French equipment is notoriously expensive, French contractors tend to underbid their competitors just to secure the deal and only then balloon up the costs because of extra stuff that they like to put in AFTER they win the contract (look at India's Rafale deal, the Canadian CSC program, and more recently the Australian Sub Deal for example).

This goes for the F-15EX as well, there's no way they can afford a squadron's worth of airframes. If Prabowo keeps pushing for either of the two, the Air Force has to cancel all other projects like the MRSAM, GCI, AWACS, MRTT as well as mothball some of the Flankers since it will literally take up the entire portion of that cap that's set aside for the Air Force. And this is just for PROCURING them, don't get me started on keeping them airworthy.

The only fighters the Air Force can really in large numbers without putting a dent in their budget is literally either the F-16V or the F/A-50. I'm sure that SMI knows this, hence why the Rafale isn't on the blue book yet. Don't be blinded by nationalistic zeal and over optimism guys, follow the money trail because numbers don't lie.

Hmmm... that mysterious Viper buyer...
How about 2 squadrons F16v and 1 squadrons Typhoon tranche 4 instead?

Long time not see you here mate...

 

[Madokafc]

Hmmm... that mysterious Viper buyer...
How about 2 squadrons F16v and 1 squadrons Typhoon tranche 4 instead?

Long time not see you here mate...

Err.... Who is (high profile officer from some country) which is very recently visiting our manufacturing plant and had deep conversation

 

[Umigami]

Err.... Who is (high profile officer from some country) which is very recently visiting our manufacturing plant and had deep conversation

Well... the one I know was officially just went to cargo section, so I don't know what you're talking about...

 

[Van Kravchenko]

the $20,7 foreign credit cap set by SMI has pretty much stopped any Rafale deal from seriously happening before 2024

Ahhh... Finally. A smell of good news from Paris.

 

[Umigami]

Ahhh... Finally. A smell of good news from Paris.

Smell good what?

 

[Chestnut]

Typhoon tranche 4 instead?

Literally zero chance for Typhoon at this point.

 

[Umigami]

Literally zero chance for Typhoon at this point.

Still hoping...

How about diverting that 1.1 billion?

 

[Barjo_2]

You guys do realize that the $20,7 foreign credit cap set by SMI has pretty much stopped any Rafale deal from seriously happening before 2024 right? French equipment is notoriously expensive, French contractors tend to underbid their competitors just to secure the deal and only then balloon up the costs because of extra stuff that they like to put in AFTER they win the contract (look at India's Rafale deal, the Canadian CSC program, and more recently the Australian Sub Deal for example).

This goes for the F-15EX as well, there's no way they can afford a squadron's worth of airframes. If Prabowo keeps pushing for either of the two, the Air Force has to cancel all other projects like the MRSAM, GCI, AWACS, MRTT as well as mothball some of the Flankers since it will literally take up the entire portion of that cap that's set aside for the Air Force. And this is just for PROCURING them, don't get me started on keeping them airworthy.

The only fighters the Air Force can really buy in large numbers without putting a dent in their budget is literally either the F-16V or the F/A-50. I'm sure that SMI knows this, hence why the Rafale isn't on the blue book yet. Don't be blinded by nationalistic zeal and over optimism guys, follow the money trail because numbers don't lie.

True

 

[Gary]

I've always wanted the air force to go full F-16 in all their frontline fighter fleet, kinda like what TurAF do.

but well who am I to choose for the air force.

 

[Parry Brima]

Well... the one I know was officially just went to cargo section, so I don't know what you're talking about...

Cargo? It's more like internal weapons bay

 

[wekiweko]

again, being able to spam close to a hundred AMRAAM equipped falcons (or 50 something falcons) is not a bad thing really

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442784030911438850

 

[Umigami]

I've always wanted the air force to go full F-16 in all their frontline fighter fleet, kinda like what TurAF do.

but well who am I to choose for the air force.

For me, buy a lot of Viper but buy some "big hammer" too. F15, F35, Typhoon, or Rafale.

 

[Gary]

For me, buy a lot of Viper but buy some "big hammer" too. F15, F35, Typhoon, or Rafale.

budget bro.....

but anyway since we're talking hypothetical , don't you think an F-16(V) is best paired with the Eagle II ?? consider that both uses the same engine ??

unless it's an F-35, an F-16V is just as advanced if not more advanced than some of the Europeans offer

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442784030911438850

Ah yeah that masseur guy again...

Well seems like they still aiming for Eagle 2 afterall.

 

[Parry Brima]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1442784030911438850

The article said $3.3 bil for 24 F-15EX. So $137.5 mil per jet.

Keep in mind that F-15EX is designed to have 20.000 flight hours. Almost double any fighter in the world including F-16V.