Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Nilgiri]

Dumbest defense commentator be like.

Seriously, a foreign policy is based on CAPABILITY, not on intention. You can be the most pacifist and kind nation on the planet, but if you cannot defend yourself, then you WILL get attacked, or subdued diplomatically at least. I think it's naive to say that being strong can ever be a bad thing, on extreme cases you see that countries who gave up their nukes always immediately got f*cked over by great powers (despite the rhetoric of "peaceful" nuclear non-proliferation). The reality is that reality itself is not a constant, you can shape reality, and it is always changing, and to shape reality and react to the changing situations, you need strength.

Yup, its best to have something you do not need....

than to need something you do not have....

Heart, mind, body....all 3 are equally important for successful country....having just 2 is not good enough.

 

[Madokafc]

At large, most of public opinion is overwhelmingly supported the moves of MoD eventhough they need to spend hundreds trillion Rupiah worth of tax payer money to modernized the armed Forces. Air force is a branch in which had the most capital intensive Investment continuously, there is no other short cut. And nonetheless, Air power is one the most biggest deterrence any military should have.

As wise people had said,

"If our Air Forces are never used, they have achieved their finest goal.”

 

[FPXAllen]

"Supreme excellence consists of winning without fighting"

- by HellFireIndo who's actually SunTzu in his previous life.

But yeah, I completely agree with this, although it doesn't necessarily have to be related with what you wrote below.

But for some reason, by combining the bare minimum resources, that is the mere existence of our military (not even winning but merely surviving like in Sudirman's case), with skilled diplomacy on the negotiating table, somehow we won.

By stubbornly fought to remain exist. We had many advantages back then that probably not as advantageous today. One of which is the public psyche with a common sense of urgency to stand together against the aggressor. That's why our guerilla tactics was so effective in corroding the Dutch influence to limit their presence only in major towns and cities.

That's at least my own take on this.

The aim of war is to attain a goal, and a battle is one way to achieve it, but not the only way.

Clausewitz?

Maybe our real talent is diplomacy, while the military is a part of that diplomatic struggle.

And there's a clear advantage of being a neutral nation especially if that neutral nation also possess a military with considerable strength, enough to make even competing/conflicting major powers to think twice eventhough they still have the ability to trample it.

Netherlands and Belgium were two of the neutral countries in Europe during the outbreak of WW2, but they did not have military strong enough to stop German advances or to at least slowing it down long enough to made a difference.

So in order to have more backing to our diplomacy, we must also have a strong military without turning to what Myanmar has become, for example.

Of course, we won't automatically become aggressive nor intend to trigger an arms race in the region by pursuing strong military capability.

I'll stand up against this nation if - after we become much stronger than today - we decide to turn our back from our current policy to become an aggressive, troublemaking, bully country toward others.

Our aim should be to become something like what I was jokingly wrote about Orb earlier.

 

[Madokafc]

- by HellFireIndo who's actually SunTzu in his previous life.

But yeah, I completely agree with this, although it doesn't necessarily have to be related with what you wrote below.


By stubbornly fought to remain exist. We had many advantages back then that probably not as advantageous today. One of which is the public psyche with a common sense of urgency to stand together against the aggressor. That's why our guerilla tactics could be so effective in corroding the Dutch influence to limit their presence only in major towns and cities.

That's at least my own take on this.


Clausewitz?


And there's a clear advantage of being a neutral nation especially if that neutral nation also possess a military with considerable strength, enough to make even competing/conflicting major powers to think twice eventhough they still have the ability to trample it.

Netherlands and Belgium were two of the neutral countries in Europe during the outbreak of WW2, but they did not have military strong enough to stop German advances or to at least slowing it down long enough to made a difference.

So in order to have more backing to our diplomacy, we must also have a strong military without turning to what Myanmar has become, for example.


I'll stand up against this nation if - after we become much stronger than today - we decide to turn our back from our current policy to become an aggressive, troublemaking, bully country toward others.

Our aim should be to become something like what I was jokingly wrote about Orb earlier.

This country doesn't need to become bully while coveting other Nation territory or resources to become a great power. Become a trading nation and producing goods and services is a way to become rich and great, meanwhile our military should exist to protect our interest and goals.

 

[FPXAllen]

This country doesn't need to become bully while coveting other Nation territory or resources to become a great power. Become a trading nation and producing goods and services is a way to become rich and great, meanwhile our military should exist to protect our interest and goals.

Exactly. If I could give two thumbs up, I'll give them all to your post here.

It somehow concerns me that after the news about Rafale and F-15ID surfaced recently, some overly nationalistic Indonesian netizens nutcases dreamed of becoming a "great" country in a sense that we can and will threaten our neigboring countries with invasion.

 

[JATOSINT]

Maybe our real talent is diplomacy, while the military is a part of that diplomatic struggle. Of course, we won't automatically become aggressive nor intend to trigger an arms race in the region by pursuing strong military capability. But at least it's like when you are at the negotiating table, having a strong military is like when you bring a big shotgun along while you are discussing diplomacy. You won't necessarily ever pull the trigger, might only be a bluff, but the other guy will surely see you as a serious business with it.

Yup, "speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"

And for triggering an arms race in the region...well, this is not the 1960s, we are not the ones who randomly draw a line in SCS, nor do we have any ambition to size other country's territory

This is not to mention that the fighter procurement is part of MEF which has been started since 2009

How kompas editor have statement like that.. its not ecek ecek media but the quality of what they post is very shame.. its a bullshits diplomation without military power.

Kompas? In this article they clearly understand the reason behind the fighter procurement, the concept of deterrence, and TNI current conditions

 

[Umigami]

How kompas editor have statement like that.. its not ecek ecek media but the quality of what they post is very shame.. its a bullshits diplomation without military power.

What are you taking about?

 

[Mejikuhibiu]

What are you taking about?

Sorry mate im wrong to quote.(efek tengah malem) Couple days ago in kompas media and someone from political party said that we dont need rafale and other thing,there is no will be a war in couple decade. Just use the money for covid,education n other..

 

[KanalKiri]

Recorded PSI online discussion

 

[Mejikuhibiu]

https://militarycognizancenews.word...-times-more-expensive-than-the-russian-su-35/
F15 is 5x more expensive than su35

 

[Ravager]

https://militarycognizancenews.word...-times-more-expensive-than-the-russian-su-35/
F15 is 5x more expensive than su35

In connie's scale of " excellences " this guy would be rated 7+ ...

Well , Atleast he doesn't blatantly promoting J series straight to our faces tho'

 

[NEKO]

Recorded PSI online discussion

+25 social credit for one of the speaker.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493466393806663680

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493466393806663680

Many more in years to come after Rafale and Boramae.

 

[JATOSINT]

Many more in years to come after Rafale and Boramae.

ToT with Martin Baker

Ejection seat with real sheep/cow skin seat cover from Garut

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493520700367589378

 

[Indos]

Development of KF21/IFX look like being SPEED UP !!!!!

Singapore Airshow 2022: KF-21 captures Asia-Pacific and European export interest​

15th February 2022 - 04:25 GMT | by Tim Martin in Singapore

KAI has held talks with potential KF-21 fighter jet export customers from Asia-Pacific and Europe.

The KAI KF-21 Boramae 4.5-generation fighter has attracted the attention of potential buyers from Asia-Pacific and Europe, as the manufacturer begins to ramp up preparations for the first flight of the new jet in July.

KAI has completed production of four aircraft to undergo testing as part of an engineering, manufacturing and development (EMD) phase underwritten by South Korea.

The EMD will cover ground tests, flight tests, armament tests and a number of other airworthiness items, all to be held at the KAI facility in Sacheon, South Gyeongsang Province.

‘We expect to complete testing in less than two years and begin production in 2024,’ Jae Yun Park, aircraft business development manager at KAI, told Shephard.

In all, six prototypes are expected to undergo testing before production begins.

‘Roughly [production will cover] three squadrons and available to export customers after that,' Jae said. 'The government is going to decide and let us know when exactly it will be available for export programmes.

Some [of those interested] are in Asia-Pacific and some are in Europe.’

Park added that the US government would have to give export approval for KF-21 weapons packages before any such sales could move forward.

Singapore Airshow 2022: KF-21 captures Asia-Pacific and European export interest | Shephard

KAI has held talks with potential KF-21 fighter jet export customers from Asia-Pacific and Europe.

www.shephardmedia.com

 

[Indos]

Just get confirmation from Indonesian KF21/IFX engineer. The news is true.

 

[Madokafc]

Just get confirmation from Indonesian KF21/IFX engineer. The news is true.

Hei , can you explain to this humble servant about the meaning of MoU/LoI level of contract?

 

[Indos]

Hei , can you explain to this humble servant about the meaning of MoU/LoI level of contract?

Yup, 6 Rafale fix contract ( it hasnt been activated by SMI, it needs 3-6 months according to MinDef spoke person for activation, while we know SU 35 contract is stuck at the first time in Financial Ministry related to detail in contra trade deal, Changbogo is also already a contract ( not MOU) but it was stuck in Financial Minister office due to disagreement on the loan interest rate ).

It is clear even a contract that hasnt been activated can be let go, let alone 36 Rafale that according to both Defense Minister and Defense MInister spoke person hasnt yet been in contract level.

I believe all have been watching MinDef and MinDef spoke person statement, even Mindef said it in the ceremony event, along with France MinDef who was also present.

The total amount of deal is only 1.1 billion USD, it is after SMI slash the number from approved 1.6 billion USD foreign loan from Bappenas for MRCA program, and it is for 2020-2024 period. The defense equipment procurement programs for Air Force for 2020-2024 period and the amount of foreign loan backing them have been presented since beginning of 2021, I have several time posted the screenshot and even the video here.