Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Madokafc]

Its seem they had a change of business practice. The question is how fast Boeing could deliver those jets to their customer regardless of procurement scheme

Boeing Awarded $4B Multi-Year Deal for 78 Super Hornets - USNI News

The Navy awarded Boeing Co. a $4 billion multi-year contract modification to build 78 F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fighters.

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They are tasked to build 78 units Super Hornet in March 2019 and the estimated time to complete the projects including delivery is in April 2024. That's around five years only to build such number. And with regard to their capacity, i believe it will be more than that as Boeing actually mulling to close several of their facilities earlier and had reduced their workload to save operational costs.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Boeing Awarded $4B Multi-Year Deal for 78 Super Hornets - USNI News

The Navy awarded Boeing Co. a $4 billion multi-year contract modification to build 78 F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fighters.

news.usni.org

They are tasked to build 78 units Super Hornet in March 2019 and the estimated time to complete the projects including delivery is in April 2024. That's around five years only to build such number. And with regard to their capacity, i believe it will be more than that as Boeing actually mulling to close several of their facilities earlier and had reduced their workload to save operational costs.

I believe Boeing priority in regard to SuperBug block 3 is the US Navy thus their current production line still haven't being ramp up to handle further order. Furthermore, they still busy trying to "force" foreign customer to buy their suicidal B737 MAX. I just hope our gov't doesn't cave in to Boeing lobby or US pressure to allow that suicidal plane to fly in Indonesia

 

[Agent_G]

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[Van Kravchenko]

I believe Boeing priority in regard to SuperBug block 3 is the US Navy thus their current production line still haven't being ramp up to handle further order. Furthermore, they still busy trying to "force" foreign customer to buy their suicidal B737 MAX. I just hope our gov't doesn't cave in to Boeing lobby or US pressure to allow that suicidal plane to fly in Indonesia

Last time i saw your reply make me wonder.
Do even Airbus, Daasaul, dan LM(if not Boeing) will get contract deal with Indonesia ?

I mean what the urgent need to get each of fighter from thoose vendors ?
As an Army i think mr prabowo also consider the easy of maintenance and commonality.
Why doesnt it just stop at one vendor only ?

Belive or not nowadays we currently operate 4(5 if you sparate Su 27 and Su 30) type of fighters.

Last time its says that fighter combat readyness is below 50%, i dont know its an acievment or not, but in last decade our AForce capable to maintain that birds

 

[trishna_amrta]

Last time i saw your reply make me wonder.
Do even Airbus, Daasaul, dan LM(if not Boeing) will get contract deal with Indonesia ?

I've got a strong feeling it they all going to get a piece of the cake one way or another (Airbus, Dassult, Boeing) although not sure about Lockheed

I mean what the urgent need to get each of fighter from thoose vendors ?
As an Army i think mr prabowo also consider the easy of maintenance and commonality.
Why doesnt it just stop at one vendor only ?

Well we all know there is urgent need for a more numerous & capable platform particularly at our northern border. AS I had stated earlier I strongly believe all those deals were somehow tied to trade deals. You don't buy big ticket article without some kind of side deals in other sector, thus the need to buy from multiple vendors

Belive or not nowadays we currently operate 4(5 if you sparate Su 27 and Su 30) type of fighters.

Last time its says that fighter combat readyness is below 50%, i dont know its an acievment or not, but in last decade our AForce capable to maintain that birds

Well that is the Billion $ question, isn't it?

 

[Kansel]

And how would TNI-AU will be able to operate such advance jet without prior experience in operating the lesser advance jet such as Super Bug block 3 or Viper?

That's actually exactly what US said to us, procure the less advanced ones while waiting for the production line to lessen up and you can get the 5th gen later on

 

[Gary]

This could be us someday.

 

[Nilgiri]

This could be us someday.

I doubt it, Indonesia is not going to join something like NATO and get all involved in the business of multi-lateral "partnership" in RnD etc from whichever main superpower developers.

If you keep things transactional as possible while developing what you need locally long term as best as you can, Indonesia wont really enter bad situations it regrets later.

I think KFX is good model for indonesia overall. Korea is not superpower with its ego etc, has the means and resources for this stuff to see it through, Indonesia just need to commit and fork out whats needed to get involved without too much drama potential.

 

[Gary]

I doubt it, Indonesia is not going to join something like NATO and get all involved in the business of multi-lateral "partnership" in RnD etc from whichever main superpower developers.

If you keep things transactional as possible while developing what you need locally long term as best as you can, Indonesia wont really enter bad situations it regrets later.

I think KFX is good model for indonesia overall. Korea is not superpower with its ego etc, has the means and resources for this stuff to see it through, Indonesia just need to commit and fork out whats needed to get involved without too much drama potential.

This about CAATSA, now some people had been putting hopes that we will be exempt from CAATSA, if Turkey doesn't escape this I don't think we will.


Let's see how it goes with the Egyptians.

 

[Nilgiri]

This about CAATSA, now some people had been putting hopes that we will be exempt from CAATSA, if Turkey doesn't escape this I don't think we will.


Let's see how it goes with the Egyptians.

I doubt they will strenuously apply CAATSA on non-NATO members is what I am saying....since Indonesia is not really going to join NATO dev stuff like NATO members do and have done.

Indonesia has options and its far enough away from Russia deployed issues in the global theatre, while Turkey isn't.

Apples and oranges to me if Indonesia stays observant and plays its cards well in managing which tech chains is goes into and who etc.

 

[Madokafc]

I doubt they will strenuously apply CAATSA on non-NATO members is what I am saying....since Indonesia is not really going to join NATO dev stuff like NATO members do and have done.

Indonesia has options and its far enough away from Russia deployed issues in the global theatre, while Turkey isn't.

Apples and oranges to me if Indonesia stays observant and plays its cards well in managing which tech chains is goes into and who etc.

Though it is better for Indonesia to stay away from Russian Made high profile weapons like fighter or Air Defense system as they had been long compromised with China engagement with Russian and Ukraine. For IFV, APC, ATGM or even MBT it is still okay to me, but more than that better to stick with US and European system. Not to mention Indonesia C4ISR system is actually being developed in accordance with NATO compliance and system units. There is no way for us to look at Russian system anymore.

 

[Nilgiri]

Though it is better for Indonesia to stay away from Russian Made high profile weapons like fighter or Air Defense system as they had been long compromised with China engagement with Russian and Ukraine. For IFV, APC, ATGM or even MBT it is still okay to me, but more than that better to stick with US and European system. Not to mention Indonesia C4ISR system is actually being developed in accordance with NATO compliance and system units. There is no way for us to look at Russian system anymore.

Yes this is separate issue to matter largely and I wholly agree with it. Indonesia will be interesting case study how it balances transactional acquisition vs commited development with partners+local industries/RnD etc.

 

[afiq0110]

I doubt it, Indonesia is not going to join something like NATO and get all involved in the business of multi-lateral "partnership" in RnD etc from whichever main superpower developers.

If you keep things transactional as possible while developing what you need locally long term as best as you can, Indonesia wont really enter bad situations it regrets later.

I think KFX is good model for indonesia overall. Korea is not superpower with its ego etc, has the means and resources for this stuff to see it through, Indonesia just need to commit and fork out whats needed to get involved without too much drama potential.

I don't like Korean that much... Seems to me they are using our money to develop their tech... All the fuss about changbogo class made me felt 'suudzhon' towards them... Better switch to the Turks...

 

[trishna_amrta]

If you keep things transactional as possible while developing what you need locally long term as best as you can, Indonesia wont really enter bad situations it regrets later.

The main problem with being transactional or in the case of let say Australia - Indonesia for example is pragmatic-transactional. The relationship could potentially get on rather shaky ground pretty quick. While with multilateral there is more solid foundation. Obviously there is always the pro - cons in both type

 

[trishna_amrta]

I don't like Korean that much... Seems to me they are using our money to develop their tech... All the fuss about changbogo class made me felt 'suudzhon' towards them... Better switch to the Turks...

well they do seem to use us as "proving ground" for the sake of their portfolio

 

[trishna_amrta]

Not to mention Indonesia C4ISR system is actually being developed in accordance with NATO compliance and system units. There is no way for us to look at Russian system anymore.

The question now, what are we going to do with the existing Sukhoi fleet? Any rumour / leak / bocoran maybe?

 

[Anmdt]

This could be us someday.

no worries there is example of UAE which buys weapons from Russia, China, NK, Iran altogether, smuggles them to abroad or operates some in home, yet still F-35 is being sold to them.

 

[Umigami]

no worries there is example of UAE which buys weapons from Russia, China, NK, Iran altogether, smuggles them to abroad or operates some in home, yet still F-35 is being sold to them.

When they bought them?
If it's to weaponize some syrian or yameni, I'm pretty sure they already talked to uncle.

 

[Anmdt]

When they bought them?
If it's to weaponize some syrian or yameni, I'm pretty sure they already talked to uncle.

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https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/libya-bound-turkish-cargo-vessel-intercepted-by-haftar-forces/news I wonder If they know how to make contact with vessels and to use which channel on radio :)

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@Oryx has made a report about it.

 

[Madokafc]

The question now, what are we going to do with the existing Sukhoi fleet? Any rumour / leak / bocoran maybe?

Dedicated ground attack aircraft, well they had decent Air to air defense