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Krakatau Steel?Where our BUMN and non BUMN company get those steel plate for armored vehicle? Import or local product?
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Krakatau Steel?Where our BUMN and non BUMN company get those steel plate for armored vehicle? Import or local product?
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MRAP in Papua?. I don't know OPM ever employ and manufacture IED. for that u need mobility vehicle. Something like a Komodo.Some months ago I went into a debate with a guy on Reddit. I argued that deploying MRAP to Papua is a good idea, considering the KKB tends to use cowardly ambush tactics. In such a confusing situation with limited situational awareness, even stray bullets can potentially be fatal, and firefights with small arms are ineffective (firing blind).
So having an armored vehicle heavier than frickin unarmored Toyota Hilux, but lighter than Anoa, may serve well in Papua. But the guy disagrees saying that MRAP is "too heavy". "Wth too heavy?" but then he clarifies by saying he meant the truck-sized MRAP. Well of course that's not what we need there, what we need there is the kind of Bushmaster and Oshkosh MRAP, equipped with a remote-controlled turret. The dishonorable KKB has no counter against this and it will be better than the current SOP of having simple unarmored Infantry doing all the jobs. Oh, and their deployment can also be supplemented with UAV helping with recon or perhaps also dumping some sari bahari on em.
What do you guys think? perhaps you guys have some opinion?
Consider how commander take on how they sacrifice their soldiers recently, i just think RCWS is far far preverable. Better to sacrifice soldier life, they have lot of them and tons who eager to apply each year.RCWS like this one
Are this count ?fully protected armored vehicles instead
Those are relics. Yes, some are still in use with our army - for lack of better replacement - but I would prefer that our soldiers on the ground are equipped with something that's still in production or that its spare parts are still widely available rather than trying to resurrect or maintain old stuffs like those.Consider how commander take on how they sacrifice their soldiers recently, i just think RCWS is far far preverable. Better to sacrifice soldier life, they have lot of them and tons who eager to apply each year.
Arrgghh, i mean please equip our man of war with beeter equipmemt already.
Are this count ?
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Rather than make them as a monument, its better to put them at service while waiting some good deals to come.
Nope, different personBtw Afiq, are you Afiq the historian guy?
Or, we can modify all those ATAV with add-on armor like what Freeport did with all of their Iveco Bus (on interior side) . 1.5m X 0.8m armor plate weighs only 30kg. Light enough so it will not decrease ATAV mobility much.That's the matter of logistics. If we take fuel consumption as a limiting factor, our current approach to mobility in Papua; helicopter, technically making operational costs there much higher anyway. So on the ground, the troops use civilian-grade vehicles, but the alternative solution is airlift, which is more expensive and uses more specialized fuel. Both "combination" makes the casualty rate higher and at the same time, operational cost remain high.
I personally prefer Komodo to ATAV or Maung. The latter seems to be too lightly armored and obviously prioritize weight reduction and mobility, rather than protection. "Protection" is the main take here, light or no armor vehicles are a ripe target for an ambush, and even if the rebels are completely incompetent, one or two lucky shots are enough to kill or wound personnel. Also having RCWS is important, as to not expose the troops to gunfire, and having an electronic weapon system is preferable to using the naked eye (ATAV or Maung is not optimized for this).
The idea is protection in general while having an IED-resistant profile is a bonus. Because it seems like the trend is that all armored vehicles nowadays must be IED-resistant, hence the craze with V-shaped hulls and such. Currently, KKB only ever used raiding tactics, they haven't adopted explosives yet (though not impossible to happen someday). My main concern is the risk the troops experience during an ambush, civilian SUVs cannot protect against this and they must fight on an equal footing with KKB (which is a preventable situation).
That's the problem with the so-called "logistics dictates strategy". We are concerned with one logistical difficulty and end up taking more avoidable risks because of it. SUV is used because the user simply thinks "vehicle is for moving stuff around", hence neglecting other aspects, namely military effectiveness. As for Maung, I think they haven't released the armor profile yet, so I am not sure of their protection. Though compared to Komodo they are lighter and have a longer range, perhaps also simpler logistics, but of course, less capable in combat.
need a lot more Leo for ADRIequipped with MBT
Get something like Trophy APS.Real question: How to counter this ATGM fired from 5 km away?
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/tj8n9h
Asking infantry to scouts around every 5 km is improbable. By the time infantry near the tank hear the sound, they're already doomed.
Btw, how about to convert all of infantry formation in the Army into Mechanized infantry and motorized ones, equipped with MBT, AFV, APC, IFV infantry mobility vehicles and MRAP. Just looking at increasing firepower distribution and lethality among units around our peer (including neighbor army) this Made infantry by foots is more vulnerable than ever.
Motorized yes, mechanized probably no. Mechanized units are very maintenance-heavy and have a high operating cost. Not to mention the logistical issues, fuel and parts aren't easy stuff to work with. For motorized, we should really standardize logistical dan transport trucks all across the military, which will tremendously simplify the logistical system.For now, TNI AD having at least 21 infantry brigade units (outside of independen battalion infantry) if each of them have at least three infantry battalion, thus they are in command of about 63 battalion infantry. And to convert them all into Mechanized infantry, each battalion need at least 40-50 APC/IFV/IMV/FSV and dozens of fuel truck, transport truck and munition truck. Thus the number needed at least 2520 to 3150 armored vehicles and between 756 to 1512 logistic truck.
Trophy APS
But ATAV have the armored variant.Or, we can modify all those ATAV with add-on armor like what Freeport did with all of their Iveco Bus (on interior side) . 1.5m X 0.8m armor plate weighs only 30kg. Light enough so it will not decrease ATAV mobility much.
Wait a minute, that type of steel still existed today ? What a relic from German panzer tech of WW2.
SS2 never come into soil at first place. Since pindad never pursue for civilian use for their products.MAC or Forgotten Weapon think about SS2 ?
Does every matra need such reserve ?Reserve component,
Actually there was this old photo of us army personnel carrying ss2 in US. They purchased some test purpose only.Wait a minute, that type of steel still existed today ? What a relic from German panzer tech of WW2.
SS2 never come into soil at first place. Since pindad never pursue for civilian use for their products.
Does every matra need such reserve ?