Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[FPXAllen]

Or it's just in our dream?

Just . don't . take . the . red . pill.

Seriously, please someone correct me if I'm wrong here. As far as I understand it, 6 FREMM and 2 Maestrale are a done deal. So is the deal for 2 AH140, probably... Now about 6 (or 8?) Mogami, I wonder if recent development in the region will make our MoD to announce it publicly in the next few days / weeks or maybe it will remains tightly under wrap until next year or so.

All I know is that in January there will be a defense show in Japan, so...

 

[Lordimperator]

contract should be available/open to the public even in this "pandemic time"

I agreed, but it must be at the right time, to know how they spend the tax payer money. Did u already know about Madam C "koar -koar" a few months ago?

And the govt should be ready for any incoming critics; despite a lot of people deny it, we do had war brewing at SCS that directly affect our ZEE.

At this point, i trust the MoD and govern knew what the right things to do. Well about the contracts and another "gembar gembor" it's just for fun to heard as military enthusiast.

 

[schuimpjes]

my questions are, do we already sign any contract for any of those ships?

FREMM

Fincantieri | FINCANTIERI WILL PROVIDE 8 VESSELS TO INDONESIA

www.fincantieri.com

Arrowhead 140

PAL Indonesia to Build Frigates under Babcock License

The same frigate will be built by Babcock for the British Navy starting next week.

jakartaglobe.id

–License Deal

"Babcock has agreed a license deal for PAL to manufacture Arrowhead 140 (AH140) frigate, which was designed “with speed and maneuverability in mind”.

– Acquisition

"The Defense Ministry said in a statement on Friday that PAL will build two new frigates with specific design specifications to meet the requirements of the Indonesian Navy. The value of the joint production remains undisclosed".

I just realized, the numbers (price) are undisclosed. Or what value is that actually?

CMIIW

 

[Lordimperator]

Now about 6 (or 8?) Mogami, I wonder if recent development in the region will make our MoD to announce it publicly in the next few days / weeks or maybe it will remains tightly under wrap until next year or so.

Did the Nippon already send their delegatiom to Pal?

 

[ardezzo]

FREMM


Arrowhead 140

–License Deal

"Babcock has agreed a license deal for PAL to manufacture Arrowhead 140 (AH140) frigate, which was designed “with speed and maneuverability in mind”.

– Acquisition

"The Defense Ministry said in a statement on Friday that PAL will build two new frigates with specific design specifications to meet the requirements of the Indonesian Navy. The value of the joint production remains undisclosed".

I just realized, the numbers (price) are undisclosed. Or what value is that actually?

CMIIW

thank you, I really missed the FREMM news.

as for Arrowhead, I has yet to see it as an effective contract.

 

[flogger]

Did the Nippon already send their delegatiom to Pal?

Yes they had send them

 

[schuimpjes]

as for Arrowhead, I has yet to see it as an effective contract.

Looks like still only Babcock–PAL licence deal. Navy want to buy 2 was Prabowo's statement, but possibly the contract between Navy and PAL already existed too, don't know.

 

[FPXAllen]

Did the Nippon already send their delegatiom to Pal?

Yes they had send them

I wonder if we have already sent our engineers to Japan and if that's the case, whether they have signed an NDA or similar which forbids them to reveal anything to the public.

 

[Umigami]

Did the Nippon already send their delegatiom to Pal?

After this AUKUS and U216 gossip, Japanese offer become kind of "kurang menggigit"...

(D*mn it, I think my wibu soul got a really big "cobaan" right now)

 

[Lordimperator]

(D*mn it, I think my wibu soul got a really big "cobaan" right now)

Stand firm bro
Maybe they could make Soryu-chan model

 

[schuimpjes]

(D*mn it, I think my wibu soul got a really big "cobaan" right now)

Just go drink a water, and say "ahhh" after that.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1440624750468878354

Hmm interesting to see that u families could be armed with McDN

 

[ardezzo]

At this point, i trust the MoD and govern knew what the right things to do. Well about the contracts and another "gembar gembor" it's just for fun to heard as military enthusiast.

I wonder if we have already sent our engineers to Japan and if that's the case, whether they have signed an NDA or similar which forbids them to reveal anything to the public.

despite anything happened in SCS, this is still peacetime. The Govt could undisclosed the price, tech spec etc, but the an effective contract should be made public.

After this AUKUS and U216 gossip, Japanese offer become kind of "kurang menggigit"...

(D*mn it, I think my wibu soul got a really big "cobaan" right now)

did Nippon offer us Li-Po Suryo?

 

[Lordimperator]

did Nippon offer us Li-Po Suryo?

To indo? I dont know yet, but they did it to India ssk and Australia with Li ion

 

[ardezzo]

To indo? I dont know yet, but they did it to India ssk and Australia with Li ion

ah, Li-Ion, my mistake

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1440624750468878354

Hmm interesting to see that u families could be armed with McDN

Well yeah technically it can be done, but do you think French that idiot to weaponizing their competitor?

 

[Lordimperator]

French that idiot to weaponizing their competitor?

Especially after losing billions dollar contracts at the same year

 

[Madokafc]

Especially after losing billions dollar contracts at the same year

Better results than zero? At least MBDA still provided something

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes I largely agree.

Hence Indonesia needs a large commitment to Navy going forward.

Out of interest what was the breakup in Indonesia military spending for 2019 (or a recent year) among army, AF and Navy?

I think a useful starting point. i.e is split like 40/20/40 or 40/30/30 etc currently.

@AlphaMike you have any idea what this split is for Indonesia? It does full budget by TNI (easy to find ~ 9 billion USD)....but given combined nature of military structure I guess its hard to find it split by "service branch"?

 

[Van Kravchenko]

$600 million for 1 submarine iirc. I don't even know what kind of 2nd hand submarine with that price.

AH already make some video about it months ago. The MinDef want to use that $600 million for Submarine Rescue vessel instead iirc.

In case you've missed it.

Jakarta approves plan to obtain USD600 million loan for interim submarine programme​

by Ridzwan Rahmat



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Nagapasa
, one of four submarines in service with the Indonesian Navy. The country has approved a plan to obtain up to USD600 million in foreign loans to procure at least one second-hand boat as a stopgap measure while awaiting new submarines.
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KRI Nagapasa , one of four submarines in service with the Indonesian Navy. The country has approved a plan to obtain up to USD600 million in foreign loans to procure at least one second-hand boat as a stopgap measure while awaiting new submarines. (Juni Kriswanto/AFP via Getty Images)
The Indonesian Ministry of Finance (MoF) has granted approval for the country to obtain up to USD600 million in foreign loans to procure at least one second-hand submarine for the Indonesian Navy (Tentara Nasional Indonesia – Angkatan Laut: TNI-AL).

Documents provided to Janes by industry sources indicate that the approval was granted for the Interim Readiness Submarine Class (IRSC) programme, which seeks to temporarily fill gaps in the TNI-AL's underwater warfare capabilities with boats retired by other navies while the service awaits the delivery of new vessels.

The programme calls for a submarine class that displaces between 1,800–2,800 tonnes. However, the documents seen by Janes did not specify the expected number of hulls that will be procured.

The approved loan quantum for the IRSC was reached in consultation with the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and the Ministry of National Development Planning (Kementerian Perencanaan Pembangunan Nasional: BAPPENAS).

The TNI-AL operates a fleet of four diesel-electric submarines (SSKs) comprised of three Nagapasa (DSME 209/1400)-class boats, and one Cakra (Type 209/1300)-class SSK, KRI Cakra (401). A second Cakra-class boat, KRI Nanggala (402), sank in the Bali Sea in April 2021 killing everyone onboard.

Jakarta approves plan to obtain USD600 million loan for interim submarine programme

The Indonesian Ministry of Finance (MoF) has granted approval for the country to obtain up to USD600 million in foreign loans to procure at least one second-hand...

www.janes.com

This Made me worry when government easily approved weapon purchase for readiness sake, it is something brewing amid pandemic?

Really, reallocating money for submarime rescue vessel. That contract should be a different case.

I dont know why folks here still eager to keep Masseur Guy and Students post as a milestone.