Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Anmdt]

its not like european design that already mature design since the begining

Not having a shipbuilding industry or ship design bureaus on the background is the reason for this.
Probably for latter ships they have had a subcontractor.
The last ship looks like to be a faster one thus they needed a bulbous bow and deck fairing. What is flotilla speed of the Indonesian Navy?

 

[R4duga]

Ahh ,, I just remembered, the tanker that was stalled was KRI Dumai PT DKB. never discussed in Kaskus.

that one particular SOE is problematic .

 

[Madokafc]

With current progress of budget update, TNI AL can expect to get at least two major surface warships by 2024 through 2026, and two to three more diesel Attack Submarine. There is still need to doubling the number of surface warships, Submarine forces and amphibious assault flotila as there is quite huge challenge facing the Navy. Not to mention China dominant position in South China Sea, even Indonesia Navy must to fill the blank area in Eastern part of Archipelago, terrorism and piracy , along with the natural disaster challenge in which many need Naval distribution power to cope.

 

[deadlast]

Ahh ,, I just remembered, the tanker that was stalled was KRI Dumai PT DKB. never discussed in Kaskus.

that one particular SOE is problematic .

While this particular SOE does have it's problems, the one responsible for KRI BCM-1 project (or her rumored name, KRI Dumai) was PT. Anugrah Buana Marine (privately owned company), not PT. DKB (state owned enterprise.)

 

[Madokafc]

Yontaifib 2 Marine corps

 

[Madokafc]

Quite weird, as Indonesian Navy till today as far as i know only had one unit of Beechcraft King Air 350 for VIP mobility purpose

Meanwhile all of Indonesian Navy CN235 is already MPA variant, except they want to enhance the capability of the said MPA Aircraft...

 

[NEKO]

There is still need to doubling the number of surface warship

That's a huge challenge when we also need to replace the old ship.

 

[NEKO]

"Both systems can be used for force protection and vital asset protection, with the Skyranger 30 focused on the unmanned aerial system threat and the Skyranger 35 being able to counter a wider air threat set that includes rockets, artillery, and mortars."

Case in point is what you want when in today's battlefield you are likely going to be dealing with drone swarms.

Wrong thread maybe.

 

[Madokafc]

Wrong thread maybe.

Remind me, Marine corps operating only one baterai worth Type 90 (Chinese skyguard) and the rest for Air Defense of vital ports or Naval base only depend on with scattered Manpads (if any) and antiquated 37 mm gun along with internal air defense capability of some Naval warships.

If the Navy wanna to procure coastal Defense Missiles system, they need comprehensive air defense capability to protect their assets. Though, i am inclined for the Navy to do the Army solution by acquire mobile MANPADS system such as Mistral or Starstreak system and coupled them with their antiquated AA guns. That's will do at some level...

 

[Madokafc]

Or of course if you do like the US Marine corps, they don't need dedicated Air defense system as organic units as they would put the Air Defense into their fighter fleets squadron and protection of their strong Naval fleets air defense partner.

 

[NEKO]

If the Navy wanna to procure coastal Defense Missiles system, they need comprehensive air defense capability to protect their assets.

Maybe, can't they just rely the AF or army when they deploy the missile?

Remind me, Marine corps operating only one baterai worth Type 90 (Chinese skyguard)

Then after successful beach-head operation they will be vulnerable against aerial attack if they go too far inland, if its small island then ok but if not, the AF cant continuously loitering in the area covering them, and we don't have any aircraft carrier.

But

mobile MANPADS system such as Mistral or Starstreak system and coupled them with their antiquated AA guns.

Our starstreak system can be carried to the shore using our LCU.

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1369832357977415680

 

[Madokafc]

Maybe, can't they just rely the AF or army when they deploy the missile?


Then after successful beach-head operation they will be vulnerable against aerial attack if they go too far inland, if its small island then ok but if not, the AF cant continuously loitering in the area covering them, and we don't have any aircraft carrier.

But

Our starstreak system can be carried to the shore using our LCU.

Well sometimes i just pondering it would be nice to put all of our Air Denial and Sea Denial capability to the Army branch, that's including MRSAM, LRSAM, Point defense system and Share based coastal Defense Missiles system. Thus put the Navy and Air Force into offensive capability to including tactical bomber, fighter bomber, Cruise Missiles armed Frigates or Destroyer, Cruise Missiles armed Submarine, Strategic Airlifter, LHD or even Aircraft Carrier.

 

[Chestnut]

Wrong thread maybe.

Whoops

 

[Chestnut]

Remind me, Marine corps operating only one baterai worth Type 90 (Chinese skyguard) and the rest for Air Defense of vital ports or Naval base only depend on with scattered Manpads (if any) and antiquated 37 mm gun along with internal air defense capability of some Naval warships.

If the Navy wanna to procure coastal Defense Missiles system, they need comprehensive air defense capability to protect their assets. Though, i am inclined for the Navy to do the Army solution by acquire mobile MANPADS system such as Mistral or Starstreak system and coupled them with their antiquated AA guns. That's will do at some level...

To be fair tho, fitting something like the Oerlikon 30 onto a dedicated amphibious Anoa platform would actually be a lot cheaper than getting something like the K30 Biho.

 

[NEKO]

Whoops

Right street but wrong alley.

To be fair tho, fitting something like the Oerlikon 30 onto a dedicated amphibious Anoa platform would actually be a lot cheaper than getting something like the K30 Biho.

Ill be more confident if using other platform like the pandur, carry either gun or missile or both and as long as it have its own search and track radar rather than just optical sensor or relying other vehicle for radar.

 

[Madokafc]

Right street but wrong alley.

Ill be more confident if using other platform like the pandur, carry either gun or missile or both and as long as it have its own search and track radar rather than just optical sensor or relying other vehicle for radar.

Imho, the Marine corps needed strong Escort fleets and fighter fleets to protect the LST and LPD which carry them. Without it, they can only depend on the fate and destiny to the bottom of the sea while moving through the sea.

As long as we are controlling the sea and sky, no matter in which even we only had infantry slinging their rifles on the Boats or some obsolote light tanks like IJN and IJA during early phase of WW II, initiative will be on us.

 

[NEKO]

tactical bomber, fighter bomber, Cruise Missiles armed Frigates or Destroyer, Cruise Missiles armed Submarine, Strategic Airlifter, LHD or even Aircraft Carrier

Wah ngarepnya terlalu advance ini.

 

[Madokafc]

Wah ngarepnya terlalu advance ini.

Not much, Indonesia had comparable economy to South Korea or Turkey. We should aim higher. Right now we are able to work on PKR 105 along with DSME 209, maybe Ten years or 15 years from now we already aimed at Destroyer thing or Missiles Cruiser armed Submarine.

 

[Umigami]

Indonesia shortlists four options in follow-on to SIGMA 10514 frigates

Defence planners at Indonesia’s Ministry of Defence (MOD) have shortlisted four design options in a programme to procure follow-on vessels to the country’s Martadinata (SIGMA 10514)-class guided-miss...

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Damen offer: sigma with more vls? I don't know about their censor