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[R4duga]

Indonesia shortlists four options in follow-on to SIGMA 10514 frigates

Defence planners at Indonesia’s Ministry of Defence (MOD) have shortlisted four design options in a programme to procure follow-on vessels to the country’s Martadinata (SIGMA 10514)-class guided-miss...

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Damen offer: sigma with more vls? I don't know about their censor

bruh , if damen is choosen as winner again , im sure going to leave my military enthusiasm for long period of time .

 

[whatintarnation]

"improved" in what aspect

i honestly dont want damen to bag this contract

 

[Chestnut]

Indonesia shortlists four options in follow-on to SIGMA 10514 frigates

Defence planners at Indonesia’s Ministry of Defence (MOD) have shortlisted four design options in a programme to procure follow-on vessels to the country’s Martadinata (SIGMA 10514)-class guided-miss...

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Damen offer: sigma with more vls? I don't know about their censor

It's likely a Sigma with Aster and an updated electronics package. I HIGHLY doubt Damen would be stupid enough to offer another Sigma with Smart-S.

To be fair, it wouldn't be THAT bad of a choice.

 

[Captain Wales]

Damen offer: sigma with more vls? I don't know about their censor

ns100 radar ? (but its look small). maybe covered smart-s radar

"improved" in what aspect

more vls, the gun looks like the oto melara strales variant, new large mission bay and on the back looks like a RAM missile (i think).
also i think it might be longer than 10514

 

[Umigami]

ns100 radar ? (but its look small). maybe covered smart-s radar

more vls, the gun looks like the oto melara strales variant, new large mission bay and on the back looks like a RAM missile (i think).

Weapon configuration can be changed

 

[whatintarnation]

im team babcock and fremm (either is fine)

what about you guys?

 

[Madokafc]

Indonesia shortlists four options in follow-on to SIGMA 10514 frigates

Defence planners at Indonesia’s Ministry of Defence (MOD) have shortlisted four design options in a programme to procure follow-on vessels to the country’s Martadinata (SIGMA 10514)-class guided-miss...

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Damen offer: sigma with more vls? I don't know about their censor

They can follow up the Itver route with Arrowhead or follow up the Damen route. There is chance for the Japanese to success too as they got more deeper pocket to financing the loan

 

[whatintarnation]

also i think it might be longer than 10514

dont put your hopes up man

it looks like its going to be the same length as our current sigmas

 

[R4duga]

It's likely a Sigma with Aster and an updated electronics package. I HIGHLY doubt Damen would be stupid enough to offer another Sigma with Smart-S.

To be fair, it wouldn't be THAT bad of a choice.

perhaps the same one that was offered to poland .

we need a bigger hull

 

[Umigami]

FMP said it probably the same as Sigma 11515, the same thing the try to offer to Greece.

 

[Captain Wales]

im team babcock and fremm (either is fine)

what about you guys?

arrowhead would be the one for me but not in RN type 31 configuration, more firepower would be nice.

the japanese one also good and they can offer us with loan, but the system on those ship more to align with US than we who traditionally use the EU system.

 

[l3onhard]

arrowhead would be the one for me but not in RN type 31 configuration, more firepower would be nice.

the japanese one also good and they can offer us with loan, but the system on those ship more to align with US than we who traditionally use the EU system.

It's possible to put eu systems in 30ffm, isn't it?

 

[Ravager]

It's possible to put eu systems in 30ffm, isn't it?

The possibility was always open . It's who will footing the bill for the sensor integration testing and trial was the open question here ....
And considering our " medit " culture ....
Yeah , you get the gist of it ...

 

[lemons]

IMO getting both 10514 and ship bigger than the 10514 is a must. I believe 10514 is a perfect platform to replace Parchim-class or as a GP/ASW ship, because it's cheaper (if MoD managed to get a better deal or even sweet deal with Damen), quicker to build (well, I guess smaller ship are faster to build than the bigger ones right?), and Navy also PT PAL are familiar with it than the other ones.

 

[Anmdt]

Indonesia shortlists four options in follow-on to SIGMA 10514 frigates

Defence planners at Indonesia’s Ministry of Defence (MOD) have shortlisted four design options in a programme to procure follow-on vessels to the country’s Martadinata (SIGMA 10514)-class guided-miss...

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Damen offer: sigma with more vls? I don't know about their censor

Are they misinterpreting Iver Huitfeldt as Arrowhead 140? I know Indonesian IH is a separate project but meanwhile it seems like the procurement of AAW frigate started to be considered in conjunction with the general purpose frigate (as it should be)
Arrow140 is plainly similar to the IH in terms of capabilities, dimensions, weapon spots. Except Arrow140 is lighter in sensors.

It's possible to put eu systems in 30ffm, isn't it?

Not actually, i don't think Japanese would go into that burden especially while they could pack their own sensors.
And to be honest if they are offering prices low as FREMM or Damen, Japanese ships are equipped with much better sensors and CMS. (Better than Thales APAR or NS200)

 

[R4duga]

Are they misinterpreting Iver Huitfeldt as Arrowhead 140? I know Indonesian IH is a separate project but meanwhile it seems like the procurement of AAW frigate started to be considered in conjunction with the general purpose frigate (as it should be)
Arrow140 is plainly similar to the IH in terms of capabilities, dimensions, weapon spots. Except Arrow140 is lighter in sensors.

Not actually, i don't think Japanese would go into that burden especially while they could pack their own sensors.
And to be honest if they are offering prices low as FREMM or Damen, Japanese ships are equipped with much better sensors and CMS. (Better than Thales APAR or NS200)

Correct me if im wrong , Arrowhead 140 was supposed to be a flexible platform means they can suit specification that the customer wanted (sensor etc) , type 31 is one of the example where arrowhead 140 suited accordance to Royal Navy requirement .

 

[R4duga]

The possibility was always open . It's who will footing the bill for the sensor integration testing and trial was the open question here ....
And considering our " medit " culture ....
Yeah , you get the gist of it ...

"Harga terendah sistem gugur" moment ... , i hope not

 

[reashot_xigwin]

"Harga terendah sistem gugur" moment ... , i hope not

The Cheaper the hull the better. It's the ship electronics that is the most important thing.

Wanna start a betting pool about which design will gets chosen?

 

[R4duga]

IMO getting both 10514 and ship bigger than the 10514 is a must. I believe 10514 is a perfect platform to replace Parchim-class or as a GP/ASW ship, because it's cheaper (if MoD managed to get a better deal or even sweet deal with Damen), quicker to build (well, I guess smaller ship are faster to build than the bigger ones right?), and Navy also PT PAL are familiar with it than the other ones.

i agree if 10514 meant to replace the parchim , they are in conjuction of kornas project/program afterall .

 

[reashot_xigwin]

Beside Iver & FREMM being the most likely candidate.

I sure love the design of the Mogami