Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[McCool]

Maybe Pohang class

hmm quite dissapointed, I thought it will be brand new

 

[Madokafc]

hmm quite dissapointed, I thought it will be brand new

I don't think they are looking for new Corvette after signing contract for armed OPV, that's why they are gladly to taking consideration for second hand Corvette offer from South Korean.

 

[Lordimperator]

Maybe Pohang class

Please be followed by Sejong the Great

 

[Parry Brima]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509184253623369732

MBDA NCM? Tomahawk?

Atmaca will be interesting choice.

Will be multiplatforms : warships, submarines, aircraft, coastal batteries, including land-attack operations.

Also bigger warhead than NSM.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509432128744075267

Did someone see or save the MoD deleted twitter?
"Japanese Director Naval Chief
Design and ATLA ...."

 

[Parry Brima]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509432128744075267

Did someone see or save the MoD deleted twitter?
"Japanese Director Naval Chief
Design and ATLA ...."

This one?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509445386125021185

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509445391095271426

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509445394245185538

 

[Lordimperator]

This one?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509445386125021185

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509445391095271426

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509445394245185538

Yes,

Did they bring suryo mokit?

 

[R4duga]

Yes,

Did they bring suryo mokit?

no but they did print a brochure for that

 

[Umigami]

no but they did print a brochure for that
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How they place that paper was kind of funny. It was like they were expecting it to be leaked on internet.

 

[Lordimperator]

How they place that paper was kind of funny. It was like they were expecting it to be leaked on internet.

They need a bigger table to, look how they placed the box preventing the brochure slides away, while not blocking the beauties mogami.

 

[NEKO]

How they place that paper was kind of funny. It was like they were expecting it to be leaked on internet.

Just like that one time with American UAV.
unintentional leak.(actually intentional)

 

[Parry Brima]

no but they did print a brochure for that
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Above the Mogami? I think that's another warship.

 

[FPXAllen]

Regarding our interest to acquire Japan-made naval combatant, I can't help but wonder whether the concept of "big ship, minimum crews" like what the Japanese took when designing and building Mogami-class frigate will also become something that we're interested in and going to follow for our own future ship projects.

Japan surely has a more compelling reason why they want their ships to have a much higher degree of automation even though it will mean that their price will be a lot more expensive. Compared to that, our ships - even the newest ones - are still much more dependant on human crews since we don't really have a shortage of people who want to serve in the Navy, and in other branches of the TNI for that matter.

So in case that we're interested to adopt Japan's approach in designing Mogami-class frigates to apply it into our own naval combatant projects, we can built and launch even more warships with the same amount of available menpower to crew those ships.

For example, while the current complement for each of our Sampari-class 60-meters FAC is about 43 personnel - or about 258 for all six of them, by halving that amount to around 21 with a comprehensive automation, there's a potential for us to build six-more of those Sampari-class without even have to worry to find nore personnel to crew those boats.

Thoughts?

 

[R4duga]

Regarding our interest to acquire Japan-made naval combatant, I can't help but wonder whether the concept of "big ship, minimum crews" like what the Japanese took when designing and building Mogami-class frigate will also become something that we're interested in and going to follow for our own future ship projects.

Japan surely has a more compelling reason why they want their ships to have a much higher degree of automation even though it will mean that their price will be a lot more expensive. Compared to that, our ships - even the newest ones - are still much more dependant on human crews since we don't really have a shortage of people who want to serve in the Navy, and in other branches of the TNI for that matter.

So in case that we're interested to adopt Japan's approach in designing Mogami-class frigates to apply it into our own naval combatant projects, we can built and launch even more warships with the same amount of available menpower to crew those ships.

For example, while the current complement for each of our Sampari-class 60-meters FAC is about 43 personnel - or about 258 for all six of them, by halving that amount to around 21 with a comprehensive automation, there's a potential for us to build six-more of those Sampari-class without even have to worry to find nore personnel to crew those boats.

Thoughts?

automation can also lead to ship having more operation/patrol endurance, since you can have double amount of supply stock while cutting half of the crew personnel needed to manned the ship.

 

[Madokafc]

Regarding our interest to acquire Japan-made naval combatant, I can't help but wonder whether the concept of "big ship, minimum crews" like what the Japanese took when designing and building Mogami-class frigate will also become something that we're interested in and going to follow for our own future ship projects.

Japan surely has a more compelling reason why they want their ships to have a much higher degree of automation even though it will mean that their price will be a lot more expensive. Compared to that, our ships - even the newest ones - are still much more dependant on human crews since we don't really have a shortage of people who want to serve in the Navy, and in other branches of the TNI for that matter.

So in case that we're interested to adopt Japan's approach in designing Mogami-class frigates to apply it into our own naval combatant projects, we can built and launch even more warships with the same amount of available menpower to crew those ships.

For example, while the current complement for each of our Sampari-class 60-meters FAC is about 43 personnel - or about 258 for all six of them, by halving that amount to around 21 with a comprehensive automation, there's a potential for us to build six-more of those Sampari-class without even have to worry to find nore personnel to crew those boats.

Thoughts?

They are more interested on teamed concept of Mogami class with unmanned surface/ underwater vessels, along with rear launch and recovery of unmanned assets, those are powerful feature for recce and scouting roles, one feature direly needed when your supposed threat employee high end, powerfull modern vessels.

If those rumor about Navy is in study to acquire and deployed LHD along with unmanned aerial assets such as TB 3 Bayraktar is true, those teamed up and integrated network can be our powerful asset.

 

[this is crunch]

Regarding our interest to acquire Japan-made naval combatant, I can't help but wonder whether the concept of "big ship, minimum crews" like what the Japanese took when designing and building Mogami-class frigate will also become something that we're interested in and going to follow for our own future ship projects.

Japan surely has a more compelling reason why they want their ships to have a much higher degree of automation even though it will mean that their price will be a lot more expensive. Compared to that, our ships - even the newest ones - are still much more dependant on human crews since we don't really have a shortage of people who want to serve in the Navy, and in other branches of the TNI for that matter.

So in case that we're interested to adopt Japan's approach in designing Mogami-class frigates to apply it into our own naval combatant projects, we can built and launch even more warships with the same amount of available menpower to crew those ships.

For example, while the current complement for each of our Sampari-class 60-meters FAC is about 43 personnel - or about 258 for all six of them, by halving that amount to around 21 with a comprehensive automation, there's a potential for us to build six-more of those Sampari-class without even have to worry to find nore personnel to crew those boats.

Thoughts?

Higher automation means there is the need of higher level of profesional technician onboard, highly computerized system prone to fail in domino compared to the mechanical one, we need to increase the capability of our human resources, not only onboard the ship, but also the other technician working on the shore.

 

[Madokafc]

Higher automation means there is the need of higher level of profesional technician onboard, highly computerized system prone to fail in domino compared to the mechanical one, we need to increase the capability of our human resources, not only onboard the ship, but also the other technician working on the shore.

That's why MoD created several polytechnic college, affiliate school , grant scholarship toward armed Forces member in engineering, technic and so on and giving attention toward Defense university.

 

[Madokafc]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=4637992179642422&id=181276675314017

 

[FPXAllen]

Higher automation means there is the need of higher level of profesional technician onboard, highly computerized system prone to fail in domino compared to the mechanical one, we need to increase the capability of our human resources, not only onboard the ship, but also the other technician working on the shore.

That's why MoD created several polytechnic college, affiliate school , grant scholarship toward armed Forces member in engineering, technic and so on and giving attention toward Defense university.

That's the way forward, of course. I'm glad that we already realize that eventhough we have much more human resources compared to Japan, but a highly educated, professional technician/crew can do much more if they're equipped with the right tool to do their jobs.

automation can also lead to ship having more operation/patrol endurance, since you can have double amount of supply stock while cutting half of the crew personnel needed to manned the ship.

Ah yes, this, of course, is another benefit of having a smaller number of crews since automation can take over the works of many others.

 

[RajaSultanKing]

Higher automation means there is the need of higher level of profesional technician onboard, highly computerized system prone to fail in domino compared to the mechanical one, we need to increase the capability of our human resources, not only onboard the ship, but also the other technician working on the shore.

considering we are still having these "Padat Karya" jargon as well as the use of crewed guns on our ships (i.e. the 20mm oerlikons) i think highly automated and computerized function on our ship will be used 10-20 years from now as can be seen from our newly launched ship which are still labor intensive as ever

one way to see whether we are working toward a more technologically minded force can be seen from our use of unmanned and fully automated small caliber guns (20mm/30mm) on our ship which are until now still not to be seen other than the DSI 30M as well as the newly fitted Turkish guns on our coast guard ship

it seems that currently we are not trying to decrease the number of our force to become a more specialized and highly trained/technologically advanced force at the moment considering we are still having issues with our outermost regions