Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[trishna_amrta]

But well, seems in third country like money sounds louder than wise words.

In a place where STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematic) and Critical Thinking are discouraged in lieu of the dominant Faith, Fake News & Yellow Journalism sale better thus sound extremely louder

Then why we must pay more for less tonnage and less equipment installed ?

Japanese 30 FFM have following Electronics such as.

• Mitsubishi OPY-2 (X-band multi-purpose AESA radar)
• Mitsubishi OAX-3(EO/IR)
• OQQ-25 (VDS + TASS)
• Hitachi OQQ-11 (Mine-hunting sonar)
• OYQ-1 (Combat management system)
• OYX-1-29 (Console display system)

all is made by japan, perhaps if Navy sucessfull gain access to this Figate and satisfied with it's Price-to-performance it could be a turning point of "kiblat" tech for Frigate.

Take the note the VLS in 30FFM is FFBNW.

Well use Mk 41 VLS along with the missile's system. That alone would require different set of negotiation with

6 FREMM + 6 30FFM + 2 mastrale + 2 IH? Or 6 FRREMN + 8 30FFM + 2 IH
Its like when leonidas(PS) turn his head to queen margo(SM) seeking for approval.

More like both of them in personality

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King Leonidas & Queen Gorgo is more appropriate synonym. Both of them (Leonidas & Gorgo) are co-ruler couple, which mean Queen Gorgo was not merely powerless Queen Consort, but she was a full-fledged Head of Gov't & Head of State with all the power that bestowed upon such office.

SM and Thatcher? Hm... don't know.

SM gave me an impression of a strict school teacher, not angry teacher just strict.

Taking care of the economy + increasing defence spending during pandemic is not easy, I hope she can do it.

Both Reagan & Thatcher were a strong proponent of Freedom & Democracy While S. Mulyani leftist leaning policies of "punishing" everyone who have more money (Fair Distribution of Someone Else Wealth) is despicable at best

 

[satria]

KRI dr Soeharso produce O2

https://regional.kompas.com/read/20...-di-jatim-kri-dr-soeharso-jadi-depo-isi-ulang

 

[satria]

Vaccine operation in Thousand Islands by KRI Teluk Youtefa 522

https://photo.sindonews.com/view/16590/operasi-serbuan-vaksinasi-warga-kepulauan-seribu

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Fake News & Yellow Journalism sale better thus sound extremely louder

Well, what options that we have ?
The rule itself still has big hole to granted such thing to existed.

That alone would require different set of negotiation with

Everybody talk about ESSM, is there any alternative or better stick with original config ?


Oh, talking about , i just remember all of 53 sailor already burried by the mud and sea current. And viola, no body bats an eye anymore other than a bargaining chips.

I wonder why in da fisrt seat, the stakeholders didnt call for sub salvaging.

 

[Umigami]

If I remember correctly he was against 30FFM before. Why suddenly he endorse it?

Because his jagoan already win?
Or there are some of "his stuff" will be installed on 30FFM?

 

[trishna_amrta]

Everybody talk about ESSM, is there any alternative or better stick with original config ?

For VLS system, the other alternative is Sylver VLS

As for the missile itself, the alternative in the same weight class of the ESSM are the VL MICA NG, the CAMM-ER, and of course the Aster-15. While for heavier weight class, there is the SM-6 which can potentially be use to defend against hypersonic weapon during their terminal phase, and the Aster-30 which offer similar if not better performance to that of the SM-6.

Forget about integrating anything that came from on design / build vessel. Such things could end up in a very bloody affair.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Oh, talking about , i just remember all of 53 sailor already burried by the mud and sea current. And viola, no body bats an eye anymore other than a bargaining chips.

I wonder why in da fisrt seat, the stakeholders didnt call for sub salvaging.

I hate to say this out loud , but the only reason to salvage the 402 is for the benefit of the crew family & morale as a whole.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

I hate to say this out loud , but the only reason to salvage the 402 is for the benefit of the crew family & morale as a whole.

Never imagine, such small sea have ernomous underwatwr sea current.

What we have now only full condolence for their familly.

Forget about integrating anything that came from on design / build vessel. Such things could end up in a very bloody affair.

In other words, it is possible to mount Sylver on 30 FFM despite futile effort ?

 

[Umigami]

Never imagine, such small sea have ernomous underwatwr sea current.

What we have now only full condolence for their familly.


In other words, it is possible to mount Sylver on 30 FFM despite futile effort ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1416120953398910977

No sylver for our frigates except Fincantieri Fremm

 

[trishna_amrta]

Never imagine, such small sea have ernomous underwatwr sea current.

You should feel how it's like in Sunda Strait and Lombok Strait. In Lombok Strait, it actually warmer underwater (shallow depth) then on the surface.

In other words, it is possible to mount Sylver on 30 FFM despite futile effort ?

As long the willing to do it (not still butt hurt due to the FREMM deal). But it's best to just negotiate with for Mk-41 VLS along with the ESSM and hopefully (wishful thinking here) SM-6 (those system do have some components in them)

 

[Djketoprak]

If I remember correctly he was against 30FFM before. Why suddenly he endorse it?

Because his jagoan already win?
Or there are some of "his stuff" will be installed on 30FFM?

Well, i hope we can start to construct 6 Mogami class October 2021(if this is true)

 

[Lordimperator]

Mk-41 VLS

Yessss, i hope we could get that if we r not allowed to get sylver *aside FREMM, even the Royal Thai Frigate Bumibhol armed with 8cell mk41.

 

[RajaSultanKing]

As long the willing to do it (not still butt hurt due to the FREMM deal). But it's best to just negotiate with for Mk-41 VLS along with the ESSM and hopefully (wishful thinking here) SM-6 (those system do have some components in them)

Will the VLS be a part of the contract or separate? i can't imagine a vessel as big as 30FFM but have its VLS space empty just because it is FFBNW and in a separate contract.....it just becomes like an overglorified long range OPV rather than a frigate

but talking about compatibility, i think it's much better to fit Mk 41 than Sylver, since there is no example of Sylver's system (nor other European weapon suite) being used on an indigenous Japanese CMS

The next question will be what SSM will it use? Harpoon, Exocet or Japs' SSM-1/2

 

[Madokafc]

Will the VLS be a part of the contract or separate? i can't imagine a vessel as big as 30FFM but have its VLS space empty just because it is FFBNW and in a separate contract.....it just becomes like an overglorified long range OPV rather than a frigate

but talking about compatibility, i think it's much better to fit Mk 41 than Sylver, since there is no example of Sylver's system (nor other European weapon suite) being used on an indigenous Japanese CMS

The next question will be what SSM will it use? Harpoon, Exocet or Japs' SSM-1/2

Beside the US, Japan Defense industry especially their Naval system got close relationship with UK. Just saying....

 

[Van Kravchenko]

As long the willing to do

Well, its money talk right now. Getting hit by COVID always leave a mark even for a prosperous country.

Despite any pros and cons regarding armament, is the TOT or whatsoever mechanism that need some concern.

While the ToT is a must, regarding to the law. Both of and offer ship building at home, in other hand they never mentioned about Armament nor Electronics wich is (Imho) the most valuable asset if we gain access to their tech. Soon or later we need to gain access to all armament and electronics in a ship. (You guys said the dragon already make it pace)

BUT, Ironically, locals didnt have capability bestow such TOT blessing. Viollla. . .

I just pray, if the contract already effective, if the TOT of bulding ship is effective, PAL and other locals get some work, not only welding already made hull, but also get into some deep area.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1416120953398910977

No sylver for our frigates except Fincantieri Fremm

It is not solely about being a non-French ship. The thing is slightly political/bureucratic and as a result of some actions/words.
It can be resolved if necessary. If it is not necessary then there is no point in resolving it and changing design of the Iver, take it as is with the same sensors and same weapon configuration. It is a decent ship with decent sensors.

 

[NEKO]

i can't imagine a vessel as big as 30FFM but have its VLS space empty just because it is FFBNW and in a separate contract.....it just becomes like an overglorified long range OPV rather than a frigate

Just for a while.

 

[flogger]

Will the VLS be a part of the contract or separate? i can't imagine a vessel as big as 30FFM but have its VLS space empty just because it is FFBNW and in a separate contract.....it just becomes like an overglorified long range OPV rather than a frigate

but talking about compatibility, i think it's much better to fit Mk 41 than Sylver, since there is no example of Sylver's system (nor other European weapon suite) being used on an indigenous Japanese CMS

The next question will be what SSM will it use? Harpoon, Exocet or Japs' SSM-1/2

Well like freem use taseo so ffm wil use ssm, than will be an CAAM -ER like used with one of bung tomo class and for aster 15/30 well.....no not for now they asked for it but they say no

 

[Lordimperator]

can't imagine a vessel as big as 30FFM but have its VLS space empty just because it is

I think based on the latest pic, JMSDF mogami class is ffbnw too/ no vls yet,

 

[Madokafc]

I think based on the latest pic, JMSDF mogami class is ffbnw too/ no vls yet,

They are only launched not commisioned, the fitting phase is on the way at the pier side as the main dock right now being used to build another ships on the Pipeline

As i had said before, FFM 30 is a done deal project from the beginning with so many interest holder had interest in this project. Endorsed by no less MoF (who want to secure more tax from coming Investment of Japanese investor), MoD, Prime Minister of Indonesia, Indonesian Presiden himself, and SOE Minister. Japanese want to sold their major Frigates to major country like Indonesia, meanwhile Indonesian need more surface combatant warships to build up forces to face the threat from the North. Japan had conflict and severe issue against China, Indonesia doesn't trust China actually from the security point of view, we got aligned policy and goals here although both Japan and Indonesia actually one of the biggest economy partner of China. Japan had stake on their massive Investment in Indonesia, to add more Naval security of Indonesia Armed Forces along with solid Defense relationship is win win solution for both countries.