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[Null/Void]

Not quite. Give me few more years. He was the premier when I was a young man. We had a movie released

And just a suggestion to the admin. This might sound parochial but maybe the forum name should have been TurkPak Forum. Don't overlook that English is second language in Pakistan and that means a huge growing market.

If you ask me on the rank of USSR leaders Brezhnev would be my top pick under his leadership the USSR at least became a more normalized country and living standards rose up too only bobbo which costed the USSR bigly was the invasion of Afghanistan and him ruling the large country way too long beyond his prime

but Old Man chacha you might remember this Brit show about the Cold War

 

[Kaptaan]

Old Man chacha

Yeh I have seen lot of change over my time. We used to have drills at school how to react to Soviet nuclear attack. That was a time when "terrorist" was another name for a Paddy [Irish] and not Pak!. When gay mean fun and not faggots. The world sure changed. For the better for most part.

 

[Null/Void]

I'd say 2100 maybe, only maybe.

Yeh I have seen lot of change over my time. We used to have drills at school how to react to Soviet nuclear attack. That was a time when "terrorist" was another name for a Paddy [Irish] and not Pak!. When gay mean fun and not faggots. The world sure changed. For the better for most part.

Better in technology yes and I wish Paddys were Terrorists not us lel

 

[Kaptaan]

Better in technology yes and I wish Paddys were Terrorists not us lel

You know that thing they say "good old days". Trust me it's loads of bollocks. nothing good about old days - other than I suppose I was young and full of sexual energy.

 

[Null/Void]

You know that thing they say "good old days". Trust me it's loads of bollocks. nothing good about old days - other than I suppose I was young and full of sexual energy.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug as they say but as someone who was born with the Internet well in the early 2000s we had AOL Dial Up which made the dial up sound when you wanted to boot up internet nevertheless I sometimes imagine folks like you had more fun back then now everyone on the phones

 

[Null/Void]

I will. Give me time. I am not into infantile rubbish. I can write seriuos pieces. History, politics, geography. And my 'perspective' is nopt from some mullah teaching, or cheap Pakistan propaganda books but result of lifetime of reading as a person of Pakistan origin but looking at things from British prism. Sort of mash up of both traditions.

Pakistan"Studies" types on PDF are cringe muh TEDKERADAR PAKISTAN NO 1 NUKE

 

[Kaptaan]

@Kaptaan that villa looks like heaven on earth, not to big not to small and an olive tree with a pool. Looking to visit Greece too one day once tensions are normal again.

There were Turkish restaurents in Crete. Or so they claimed. I ate from them. There was one particular nice one called Izmir Kebap. The villa was fabulous, atop a hill with infinity pool literally on the edge of the cliff. Expensive though. I will upload a video I made when I can figure how to do that.

 

[Null/Void]

There were Turkish restaurents in Crete. Or so they claimed. I ate from them. There was one particular nice one called Izmir Kebap. The villa was fabulous, atop a hill with infinity pool literally on the edge of the cliff. Expensive though. I will upload a video I made when I can figure how to do that.

There was once a large Turkish minority in Crete much like Partition in the "Subcontinent" in the 1940s there was a massive population exchange between Greeks living in Anatolia and Turks living in Greece and ex Ottoman held territories a few of my Greek-American acquaintances had roots originally from Anatolia

 

[Null/Void]

I been looking for this dish for long time cant find where I lived @Kaptaan have you tried Kokkorec

 

[Kaptaan]

They sure love using words you invented though!

You mean "Gangu". You know what began my downfall from PDF? The hatred of India expressed in religious terms. Turning it into binary of Muslim v Hindu. As a secularist that does not fly with me. If it is about 'Muslim' then surely that is dispersed amongst 50 Muslim countries. And if it is about 'Hindus' then it includes Nepal, partly Sri Lanka and Bali. How is that India is friends with many Muslim countries and Pakistan is enemies with some Muslim countries. On the other hand how is it that Pakistan is cool with Hindu Nepal? Pushing this dichotomy further led to well, will go there some other time.

 

[TR_123456]

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug as they say but as someone who was born with the Internet well in the early 2000s we had AOL Dial Up which made the dial up sound when you wanted to boot up internet nevertheless I sometimes imagine folks like you had more fun back then now everyone on the phones

We went out to have fun every weekend instead of chilling' with playstation/nintendo/xbox and whatnot.

 

[Kaptaan]

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I been looking for this dish for long time cant find where I lived @Kaptaan have you tried Kokkorec

No. When abroad I don;'t experiment. Tend to stick to the straight staples like regular kebabs ~ meat or Chicken.

 

[Null/Void]

You mean "Gangu". You know what began my downfall from PDF? The hatred of India expressed in religious terms. Turning it into binary of Muslim v Hindu. As a secularist that does not fly with me. If it is about 'Muslim' then surely that is dispersed amongst 50 Muslim countries. And if it is about 'Hindus' then it includes Nepal, partly Sri Lanka and Bali. How is that India is friends with many Muslim countries and Pakistan is enemies with some Muslim countries. On the other hand how is it that Pakistan is cool with Hindu Nepal? Pushing this dichotomy further led to well, will go there some other time.

Explaining geopolitics and reason why we have close ties with uber Atheist Chinese pork eaters and Hindu Nepalis Gurkhas to folks on PDF are like explaining to a monkey how to eat a banana

 

[Null/Void]

No. When abroad I don;'t experiment. Tend to stick to the straight staples like regular kebabs ~ meat or Chicken.

so no lamb intestine,offal mixed with hearts sandwich

 

[Cobra Arbok]

You mean "Gangu". You know what began my downfall from PDF? The hatred of India expressed in religious terms. Turning it into binary of Muslim v Hindu. As a secularist that does not fly with me. If it is about 'Muslim' then surely that is dispersed amongst 50 Muslim countries. And if it is about 'Hindus' then it includes Nepal, partly Sri Lanka and Bali. How is that India is friends with many Muslim countries and Pakistan is enemies with some Muslim countries. On the other hand how is it that Pakistan is cool with Hindu Nepal? Pushing this dichotomy further led to well, will go there some other time.

The israel deal has definitely exposed the problems with that line of thinking that has become so common on PDF.

 

[Kaptaan]

Explaining geopolitics and reason why we have close ties with uber Atheist Chinese pork eaters and Hindu Nepalis Gurkhas to folks on PDF are like explaining to a monkey how to eat a banana

I will explore this subject on a thread in Pak section. You see as a secularist I have always tried to figure out why the fcuk are so many Paks crazed with religion? Why do they start and fart religion? It fcukin pores out like a fountain. But it's all feigned as most are as irreligious in substance as any other, if not more than others.

My conclusion was it all began from 1947. The migrants from India moved to Pakistan not because of ethnic, cultural, lingustic etc reasons but because of religion. That 5% of Pak demography mostly centred today in Karachi had a identity crisis. Shorn or sans religion [Muslim] they were just Indians, be they Biharis, Utter Pradeshis or Bengalis. Whereas rest of us majority [95%] Pakistani's were Pakhtuns, Punjabis, Sindhis, Balochis, Kashmiris and thus had a identity asides Islam. But these migrants if they drop 'Muslim' tag what are you left with. Just Indian. Thus they stress 'Muslim' to differantiate themselves from India by stressing the later as "Hindu".

In a sense a secular migrant 'Muhajir' is a contradiction because he/she negates their reason for being in Pakistan or Pakistani. It is this identity crisis that has been infected onto rest of the majority and where taking pride in your province/ethnic group is seen as a sin. Fact is legally Pakistan is a FEDERATION of five major ethnic/provinces and the name Pakistan reflects that as a acroynm.

P 4 Punjab
A 4 Afghania [NWFP] today Khyber Pakhtun
K 4 Kashmir
S 4 Sind
T -
A -
N - as suffix from Balochis-TAN

 

[Kaptaan]

The israel deal has definitely exposed the problems with that line of thinking that has become so common on PDF.

I have taken so much vicarious pleasure in seeing their holy mother [UAE] hugging their devil [Israel] hahaha ....

 

[Nilgiri]

I will explore this subject on a thread in Pak section.

Yup please do when you have a little time. Saiyan is pretty much all by himself for now (though posting quality analysis).

Honestly I feel like we can actually speak plainly now without having a dozen trolls stinking a whole thread up...and then mods playing "favourites and scapegoats" on top. With the root quality established, expanding will be easy as I feel this is what is really the USP lot of places are missing these days with the copy-pasting of twitterverse model.

I am working to increase membership of all nationalities represented here including for Pakistan so activity will definitely pick up with time.

You were a project for a few weeks or so to get here working thru mutual contacts (since I got permabanned pretty much at you know where) lol....i ticked you off my list now.

 

[Nilgiri]

Turkish military base interloper apparently:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1303102646707015684

How and why did this bear get up there in first place lmao.

@Kartal1 @xenon5434 @T-123456 @Webslave @Cabatli_53

 

[Null/Void]

I will explore this subject on a thread in Pak section. You see as a secularist I have always tried to figure out why the fcuk are so many Paks crazed with religion? Why do they start and fart religion? It fcukin pores out like a fountain. But it's all feigned as most are as irreligious in substance as any other, if not more than others.

My conclusion was it all began from 1947. The migrants from India moved to Pakistan not because of ethnic, cultural, lingustic etc reasons but because of religion. That 5% of Pak demography mostly centred today in Karachi had a identity crisis. Shorn or sans religion [Muslim] they were just Indians, be they Biharis, Utter Pradeshis or Bengalis. Whereas rest of us majority [95%] Pakistani's were Pakhtuns, Punjabis, Sindhis, Balochis, Kashmiris and thus had a identity asides Islam. But these migrants if they drop 'Muslim' tag what are you left with. Just Indian. Thus they stress 'Muslim' to differantiate themselves from India by stressing the later as "Hindu".

In a sense a secular migrant 'Muhajir' is a contradiction because he/she negates their reason for being in Pakistan or Pakistani. It is this identity crisis that has been infected onto rest of the majority and where taking pride in your province/ethnic group is seen as a sin. Fact is legally Pakistan is a FEDERATION of five major ethnic/provinces and the name Pakistan reflects that as a acroynm.

P 4 Punjab
A 4 Afghania [NWFP] today Khyber Pakhtun
K 4 Kashmir
S 4 Sind
T -
A -
N - as suffix from Balochis-TAN

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I have taken so much vicarious pleasure in seeing their holy mother [UAE] hugging their devil [Israel] hahaha ....

Pakistan is indeed a Federation, not a unitary state however I would like to see more centralization but I come to the senses it would not work cause a geninue "Pakistani" identity besides religion would need to be promoted I would prefer we rename the IR of Pakistan to the Pakistani Federation akin to Russian Federation where provinces are "upgraded" to Republics with a degree of autonomy but defense and foreign affairs should be handled by Islamabad, well I shouldn't be using the Russian Federation as a example as its notoriously courupt and oligarchical a better example is Switzerland and its Cantons what we can learn from the Ruskies is how to pacify separatists movements which they have been successful to a extent