TR Land Vehicle Programs

[BalkanTurk90]

Some news on KKK's own YNZMA NGAFV project.

I remember people asking why do we even modernize old ACV AFVs and APCs when YNZMA was just on the horizon. We now have our answer.

"The total requirement of the Turkish Armed Forces in the New Generation Armored Combat Vehicles project was around 1300 vehicles, but was later reduced to 360. The first batch, for which the SSİK decision is expected, is thought to be around 50. Within the scope of the YNZMA project, the tests that started in 2020 were completed around September 2023. FNSS delivered the BAFO (best and final offer) in December. There are approximately 19 vehicles in different configurations to meet the needs of the Turkish Armed Forces."
https://twitter.com/Saffet_Uyanik/status/1754141485505597895

YNZMA tests were completed on September 2023 and number of (wheeled?) vehicles were lowered from 1300 to 360. While the first batch will be 50 vehicles only. 19 different configurations are to be inducted into service. Not clear if SSİK decision is waiting for the engines or for BMC to get its shit together with Altuğ. If 360 is not the first general batch and total number, huge let down and would mean we will continue using even unmodernized ACVs well into 2030s.

My own thoughts: If tests started in 2020 and ended 5 months ago, and as BMC's engine is not yet even ready for these vehicles and cannot have been tested on Arma Pars and Altuğ, maybe first general batch will be made with foreign engines, while a bigger batch is postponed into future.

Where did u find those news ? the YNZMA project was to replace all Armored vihacles tracked and wheeled ones and was/is 4000+ vihacle . Perhaps u confused it with anti-tank vihacle that are some 300 produced . I think YNZMA that will replace m113 and acv 15 is waiting for national engine 600hp to 800hp power .

 

[Sanchez]

Where did u find those news ? the YNZMA project was to replace all Armored vihacles tracked and wheeled ones and was/is 4000+ vihacle . Perhaps u confused it with anti-tank vihacle that are some 300 produced . I think YNZMA that will replace m113 and acv 15 is waiting for national engine 600hp to 800hp power .

I don't confuse.. Saffet Uyanık twit I linked mentions it.

 

[UkroTurk]

After seeing what kamikaze drones&drones and Javelins did in Ukraine, I began to think that spending on land vehicles, except for i) artillery rockets, ii) 155 mm howitzers and iii) armored personnel carriers, was unnecessary!

What are armored vehicles used for? They basically have 2 purposes:
1) To protect the infantry during transport and
2) To provide fire support.

What I have mentioned above is sufficient for these tasks, because drones also contribute to fire support. So, instead of spending that money on land vehicles other than the ones I mentioned above, let's spend the money on kamikaze drones&drones.

Heavy artillery and howitzers and artillery rockets are still in the Ukrainian battlefield. Neither Ukraine nor Russia abondon these weapons.
Both side have a load of UAVs however both sides still using artillery as fire pressure.
MBT s are still able to working despite of ATGMs, loetering munitions.
Russians produce 100 tanks per month.
UAVs reached their top limits.

 

[BordoEnes]

We have been talking about this for half a decade now. There is clearly no drive by the Land Forces to aquire any of these vehicles and they seem to sulk like a child everytime they are forced to do so.

YNZMA is just the newest example. Slashing vehicles to be aquired from 2900 down to 1350 down to 360 and now 50 in the "first batch", lets be honest it will most likely stay at those numbers for the next decade, just shows this.

Modernizing the ACV-15 needed to be vetoed by the higher ups instead we wasted money on trash, yes trash, 40 year old vehicles that have no place on the modern battlefield, and whose job in COIN could easily be taken over by APCs (Kipri, Cobra, Yalcin, Vuran) with 25mm turrets and even 30mm turrets.

What are you gonna do with that 25mm peashooter against modern armored vehicles? Hell forget modern, in Ukraine both sides had difficulties penetraing decades old BTRs with their 30mm guns. Sitting ducks nothing else.

L2A4 modernization has been a total flop.
M60 modernization has been a total flop.
Altay's development has been a total flop. Really you gonna go and buy engines from the same Germans who in the first place vetoed the sale of the Leopard 2A6 to you, which you had chosen in the first place btw?
Firtina-2 production is almost non-existant because of the same problems, then they went and decided to go with american engines and then dropped that too for whatever reason.

Maybe it is time to accept that the Land Forces is just incompetent when it comes to procurement and development of projects. Maybe both the Navy and Air Force should teach them a couple things.

Because this isn't gonna get better, oh no it will only get worse.

Reason why I kind of lost interest in the defence industry. Its a bureaucratic nightmare where a lot of promises get made, but few of them ever get fulfilled. Have gotten my hopes up and dashed to many times.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754230825640513972

Notice the blast in the fifth second.

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1754230825640513972

Notice the blast in the fifth second.

I wish army would just order a hundred of these in 40 mm remote controlled turret configuration to start with, while they make up their mind about what the fuck they want from an IFV, so that it can be upgraded into Alpha Mk2 later on and get it in other configurations as well. Just get something ffs.

 

[Kartal1]

I wish army would just order a hundred of these in 40 mm remote controlled turret configuration to start with, while they make up their mind about what the fuck they want from an IFV, so that it can be upgraded into Alpha Mk2 later on and get it in other configurations as well. Just get something ffs.

No

 

[boredaf]

No

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When human civilization collapses, these and our M60s will be one of the few things that will be left standing for the next civilization to find. (There, that should cause a few nightmares I think)

 

[Kartal1]

Guys I remember MKE was supposed to deliver 50 E-ZMA to TSK like 2 years ago. What happened to this?

*I am not joking*

MKE’den TSK’ya 50 adet E-ZMA | SavunmaSanayiST

MKE A.Ş., Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri’ne 50 adet E-ZMA (Elektrikli Zırhlı Muharebe Aracı) teslim edecek. Ayrıca araçlar, 25 milimetre kara topuyla da donatılacak.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Anmdt]

If you're talking about the one on the right, second on from the top that is a 120mm double barrel mortar, I'm guessing that one because that is the only one with a different turret. There is no mention of a double barrel 40mm on FNSS's brochure, check the 5th page of the pdf I shared, all the configurations are also shown there.

Thanks for the correction and twin mortar is new to me, but yes the diameter looks way more than 35mm. i have been somewhat expecting a twin-forty on a wheeled platform after they have developed the Turkish twin-forty, for close-in defences.

 

[boredaf]

Thanks for the correction and twin mortar is new to me, but yes the diameter looks way more than 35mm. i have been somewhat expecting a twin-forty on a wheeled platform after they have developed the Turkish twin-forty, for close-in defences.

I had to double check the double barrel mortar as well, but was pleasantly surprised lol twin 40mm would be nice, but then again, unless I'm mistaken only twin barrel autocannons we have are 35mm air defence guns, so I wouldn't hold my breath. Hell, I'd be glad if the army could just drop their 20/25mm fetish and pick single barrel 40mm.

 

[Saithan]

I believe Government fears military coup so they're weakening TSK and let them keep the old toys and order new toys for the unit they've secured control over.

At least that's my take on it. When you think of it like that it starts making sense. Localization ratio is just an excuse, but some bootlickers like to use that as an excuse everytime.

 

[mehmed beg]

Weaking? Tayfuns, trgl 230, Sungur and Karaoks have just been ordered, no? It is part of the ground forces?

 

[Kartal1]

https://twitter.com/DefenceTurkey

 

[what]

Usually I dont care for optics but Sungur and Tulpar with the new turret look 10/10.

 

[Zafer]

We want 100% locally made everything if possible, we can wait if it will not take too long to make.

 

[UkroTurk]

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https://twitter.com/DefenceTurkey

Mini Merkava front sided engine and rear door.

 

[Kartal1]

Mini Merkava front sided engine and rear door.

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It even has a 4 additional empty places for personnel.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

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https://twitter.com/DefenceTurkey

Gorgeous!

 

[Huelague]

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https://twitter.com/DefenceTurkey

Best IFV we (dont) have right now.