TR Military Operations in Northern Iraq

[Saithan]

well, if China and other countries are using the roads for business then Iran might have an interest in disrupting it, but then they'd be really pissing of the Chinese and others.

I don't think they'd be that dumb. I think it should be made and let's see how it wil develop the region.

 

[Bozan]

But why is MoD talking about it, and not some FM aide that should be with him on these trips.

In the past we'd criticize these things more often, because people should respect and have professionalism in their field of expertise. It seems we're so deprived of competent statemen that all ministers can talk about anything.

My question is, where do they plan to make these rails and roads and how are they going to move it through Iraq and IKRG area and such.

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I found this image and it seems to connect Rabia, Mosul, and other bigger cities of Iraq. These will be like main roads, and it's pretty damn long.

Kalkınma Yolu ve Irak Basınına Yansımaları - İRAM Center | İran Araştırmaları Merkezi

www.iramcenter.org

A big issue is whether Iraq would even build it. They struggle with construction tenders, corruption.

What was their last big infrastructure project? What timeline was it and was it met? Have they the funds to allocate?

This route would need to be ready before IMEC is viable as well.

The company designing the development road in Iraq is Italian and has no previous experience with this kind of project:

Shafaq News..PEG Company Unveils Details of Development Road Project Benefitting the Entire Region

Shafaq News/ On Saturday, Progetti Europa & Global S.p.A. (PEG), the company responsible for designing the Development Road project, provided further clarification on its specifics and features, e

shafaq.com

 

[Corvus]

PKK published a video of them shooting down various Turkish drones with AA missiles. I'm not sharing the video to not to spread their propaganda but it's a concerning development.

 

[Kartal1]

PKK published a video of them shooting down various Turkish drones with AA missiles. I'm not sharing the video to not to spread their propaganda but it's a concerning development.

They may have shot down some drones, but don't be deceived by the numbers. PKK likes to push unrealistic numbers for propaganda purposes.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

PKK published a video of them shooting down various Turkish drones with AA missiles. I'm not sharing the video to not to spread their propaganda but it's a concerning development.

They take them from YPG since ypg have alot of contact with western pigs , So now Turkiye should lunch big operation taking under control west iraq border area with syria and cut off ypg and pkk .
3 Are possibilities where pkk have taken advanced AA missiles:

1-western services aslo israel (80% chance)
2 - Iranian (10% chance)
2 - Arabs ( 10% chance)

We should find out which one and change tactics , Our MIT agents should find western agents and pkk-ypg-feto whatever they are and take them out like everybody do with chimical - biological agents . Turkiye is sleeping and national security is at risk .
My eyes still hurts when i seen video of Pkk terrorists all around offending and shooting at Soldiers in our land.
If Erdogan cant do it somebody else and very well do the job .

 

[I_Love_F16]

How are they able to shoot these drones when they should be out of reach of any manpads ? Something ain't right.

 

[Bozan]

How are they able to shoot these drones when they should be out of reach of any manpads ? Something ain't right.

Qandil is 3000 meters above sea level, manpads range on top of that may be able to reach

 

[Barry]

the biggest of deals. All you're losing is the occasional unmanned platform, whilst these pigs are getting liquidated on the daily by a precision munition in the middle of a town with 0 collateral.

They can preach as much as they want about downed drones.

 

[mehmed beg]

Manpads have the engines which require the certain amount of air .
Hahaha Hahaha

 

[Nutuk]

If PKK had really shot down Turkish drones they'd provide better vids, none of the drones are recognisable.

More like "believe me bro", no evidence

 

[RMZN]

If PKK had really shot down Turkish drones they'd provide better vids, none of the drones are recognisable.

More like "believe me bro", no evidence

Ive seen the vids and at least one Anka drone 100% got shot down by some kind of AD weapon/system.

Even if one takes into account the height of the mountains, it seems to be flying way too low.

 

[DBdev]

If PKK had really shot down Turkish drones they'd provide better vids, none of the drones are recognisable.

More like "believe me bro", no evidence

I don't believe 15 drones are shot down but some are downed somehow around high peaks of mountains.
We should not use TB2 since it cant fly high enough and Akıncı should not fly below 40000 feet.

Images of Anka, Aksungur, TB2 wrecks with PKK terrorists exist in this terrorist account.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1771118574783873161

 

[Rooxbar]

I don't believe 15 drones are shot down but some are downed somehow around high peaks of mountains.
We should not use TB2 since it cant fly high enough and Akıncı should not fly below 40000 feet.

Images of Anka, Aksungur, TB2 wrecks with PKK terrorists exist in this terrorist account.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1771118574783873161

First half of the video is from 5 months ago from this incident:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722658405339320364

Second half from 9 months ago from this incident:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1671096819248517121

 

[DBdev]

"Malfunction" isn't it.

It is either turbojet powered mini drone/missile hybrid or a MANPAD.

Both are fired from high peaks of the mountains putting low flying drones easily in their reach. American drones fly that high for a reason. Our TB2s fly less than half of their altitude. Akıncı CAN fly 42k feet without any payload but I doubt it can reach American drone altitudes with weapons.

These embarrassing losses are the result of our own stupidity I must say. Close to half a billion dollars lost according to terrorists, to PKK's goat f..rs? And they never learned a single lesson from all those expensive mistakes?

Why are you not using cheap self defense measures like simple DIRCM, flare, chaff etc. on these expensive drones?
Why are you not adding 4-5 China cheap DAS like IR cameras to at least see what is going on around you?
Why are you not using E-7T to figure out who is firing at you from where?

Like I said TAF, Selcuk and Kotil outsmarted by goat f.... Embarrassing.

 

[CAN_TR]

Both are fired from high peaks of the mountains putting low flying drones easily in their reach. American drones fly that high for a reason. Our TB2s fly less than half of their altitude. Akıncı CAN fly 42k feet without any payload but I doubt it can reach American drone altitudes with weapons.

Houthis shoot down MQ-9 with this Saqr 358 missile, these videos don't really show the missile/drone there is no heat signature unlike in the Houthi/Hezbollah videos, that's strange.

 

[Bozan]

Houthis shoot down MQ-9 with this Saqr 358 missile, these videos don't really show the missile/drone there is no heat signature unlike in the Houthi/Hezbollah videos, that's strange.

Either the explosion is fake and edited in, or the PKK have edited out what they are using to keep it secret.

They will either want to push the narrative that they have achieved the supply of powerful weapons to bring Erdogan to negotiate in case of further losses, or to deter further attacks.

Or the whole thing is a lie, who knows.

 

[Bozan]

Either the explosion is fake and edited in, or the PKK have edited out what they are using to keep it secret.

They will either want to push the narrative that they have achieved the supply of powerful weapons to bring Erdogan to negotiate in case of further losses, or to deter further attacks.

Or the whole thing is a lie, who knows.

Also to add,

In 2022 the KRG announced seizing a bunch of drone engines going to the PKK. Maybe it's not a manpad and is a drone ?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1671807156402761731

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1519387399763202048

Jetcat engines. Maybe these are powerful enough to carry an explosive payload ? Then it's simply a case of using some object tracking system

 

[Bozan]

"Malfunction" isn't it.

It is either turbojet powered mini drone/missile hybrid or a MANPAD.

Both are fired from high peaks of the mountains putting low flying drones easily in their reach. American drones fly that high for a reason. Our TB2s fly less than half of their altitude. Akıncı CAN fly 42k feet without any payload but I doubt it can reach American drone altitudes with weapons.

These embarrassing losses are the result of our own stupidity I must say. Close to half a billion dollars lost according to terrorists, to PKK's goat f..rs? And they never learned a single lesson from all those expensive mistakes?

Why are you not using cheap self defense measures like simple DIRCM, flare, chaff etc. on these expensive drones?
Why are you not adding 4-5 China cheap DAS like IR cameras to at least see what is going on around you?
Why are you not using E-7T to figure out who is firing at you from where?

Like I said TAF, Selcuk and Kotil outsmarted by goat f.... Embarrassing.

Man, that is such a serious sum of money

 

[Bozan]

the biggest of deals. All you're losing is the occasional unmanned platform, whilst these pigs are getting liquidated on the daily by a precision munition in the middle of a town with 0 collateral.

They can preach as much as they want about downed drones.

Disagree, the cost is unsustainable. You're spending millions of dollars to kill a single person, with this exchange rate. Not all of the parts are domestic. To kill everyone in the PKK you'd probably have to spend a considerable portion of the GDP.

But this government has always been shit with the economy

 

[Sanchez]

I did that calculation when we first saw the wrecks months ago. We can burn plenty of drones. Thousands of soldiers in Iraq or daily sorties by jets and tens of helicopters easily peak over drone costs.

We don't know if they were shot down, how or how many. So far I still only saw 4 over a 8 month period. It's not nothing, but it won't hurt us economically either. Threat it could create is worse than the materiel cost.