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[Angry Turk !!!]

Well, things are relative, Maybe if we had a capable administration in the last 20 years, it would now be way better. It is really a question of how much impact the league we are in having to achieve our goals. Are we able to impose our will in Mavi Vatan? How about Syria? So we are still ineffective. It is always too little, and too late….

I think Türkiye is overall spreading too thin, we're in too many other countries problems involved. If these fuckers want to kill each other, why give a shit. I couldn't care less about anyone who isn't a Turk nation or very close at least.

First of all, we are not a Superpower. We do not have the population, economy or the technology for that. So, instead of trying to stick our nose in every fucking problem of other countries who are failed nations anyway, focus on the problems inside and in front of us.

That will benefit the Country more.

 

[AlperTunga]

After the mistake during Arab Spring in Syria, now it is difficult not to get involved there. But I agree with you in a sense. We should have pushed for technological advancement, military independence, and trade relations with other countries. We should have never been vocal about neo ottomanism, Blue Land doctrine, not follow an islamist agenda, not threaten Europe, and Israel. In Gazza we should have only highlighted humanitary aspect and never support Hamas. In such a scenario, we would have all the weapons we want from US and we would easily have per capita GNP 30000$ now. US and Europe would be using us as a partial China replacement to produce goods and even weapons for them. Of course, to get real rich we need to increase our sphere of influence but we could have done this in a low key manner. Gradually, though they would have accepted us as another main power. Just like they had to accept China.

 

[AlperTunga]

Indeed, our early involvement in Libya, Syria, Somalie etc. did not bring any benefit to us. In Libya we were not strong enough to push back Russia and Egypt, in Somalia we are fighting with UAE. We should get involved in such places if we are strong enough and then push to the very end and not be satisfied with half done things. That is, once we get in, even Russia should know, ok that place is now gone.

 

[Lool]

Nothing will happen, not until Erdogan is removed.

It's been 5 years since an operation in Syria. All bark no bite, a humiliation ritual at this point.

This isnt an Erdogan problem; it is a US problem
The SDF is hiding behind the US and it was Trump who stopped Erdogan from continuing his Syria offensive post-Idlib after 24/7 nagging from jewish and kurdish lobbies and even both Trump and Erdogan admitted that
The kurdish lobby are literally living in the pentagon and congress at this point to prevent any possible dissociation between the kurds and the US

It doesnt matter who rules Turkey since as long as they remain afraid of the US; they will never ever defeat the kurdsish radicals. That is why I said that Turkey should declare war and win it even if turned out to be bloody since whatever Turkey will pay rn will be 100 times less than what will Turkey pay in the future if the SDF gets a state

 

[Lool]

Indeed, our early involvement in Libya, Syria, Somalie etc. did not bring any benefit to us. In Libya we were not strong enough to push back Russia and Egypt, in Somalia we are fighting with UAE. We should get involved in such places if we are strong enough and then push to the very end and not be satisfied with half done things. That is, once we get in, even Russia should know, ok that place is now gone.

If Turkey didnt intervene in Libya and Haftar won all of the country; then Turkish claims in the Mediterranean would have been all lost

Bro, Turkey alone supported that the GNA while Haftar had the support of Italy, France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Russia; yet, Turkey not only managed to destroy Haftar's forces near the capital but also was close to destroy central Libya and take it to itself if Russia didnt threaten Turkey with stopping gas supplies

In Syria, Turkey should have entered long ago tbh. If Turkey havent entered in 2017, then the SDF would have owned Turkey by the balls through a series of tunnels spanning the whole Turkish/Syria border into kurdish-held areas in Turkey. If you think there are no consequences to such an action then you know nothing about geopolitics. Just look at the tunnels in Manbij and Tel Rifat and you will understand what kind of threat they are

Finally, you need to understand that Turkey entered such nations out of necessity! It isnt because Turkey entered earlier than it should but they didnt have any other choice but to enter otherwise Turkey would have fallen. In other words, Turkey's enemies are acting now because they know that in 7 years time, Turkey will be too big to contain; thus, they are sowing chaos now while Turkey is still developing and Turkey has no choice but to enter with whatever arsenal it has and salvage what it can

 

[AlperTunga]

Turkey's enemies are acting now because we have provoked them unnecessarily. If we didn't say "one minute" to that country and didn't buy S400 we might have 80 F35 by now. And if we were clever enough, we would have modernized our F16 fleet by now as well. At the end of the day, if we aspire to be a regional power, we need to invest for that. This cannot be achieved by spending 2% of your GNP. That should be clear to everyone. We should just have silently built a mighty army and then at the right time "come suddenly one night"! We have done exactly the opposite so far. We begged, we barked, we complained, we whined....It is pathetic really.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Turkey's enemies are acting now because we have provoked them unnecessarily. If we didn't say "one minute" to that country and didn't buy S400 we might have 80 F35 by now. And if we were clever enough, we would have modernized our F16 fleet by now as well. At the end of the day, if we aspire to be a regional power, we need to invest for that. This cannot be achieved by spending 2% of your GNP. That should be clear to everyone. We should just have silently built a mighty army and then at the right time "come suddenly one night"! We have done exactly the opposite so far. We begged, we barked, we complained, we whined....It is pathetic really.

s400 was probably the worst decision made by the government as the only positive aspect was getting data on russias most capable ad system other then that just downsides high cost, not operational, caatsa, no f35 participation. F16 modernization was always going to take time. After 2019 the extent of the modernization was expanded to a full 4.5 gen fighter we needed time to develop our own systems.

 

[Lool]

Turkey's enemies are acting now because we have provoked them unnecessarily. If we didn't say "one minute" to that country and didn't buy S400 we might have 80 F35 by now. And if we were clever enough, we would have modernized our F16 fleet by now as well. At the end of the day, if we aspire to be a regional power, we need to invest for that. This cannot be achieved by spending 2% of your GNP. That should be clear to everyone. We should just have silently built a mighty army and then at the right time "come suddenly one night"! We have done exactly the opposite so far. We begged, we barked, we complained, we whined....It is pathetic really.

🔺️Did you provoke your enemies when they announced the formation of the PKK back in the 1990s?
🔺️Did you provoke your enemies when the PKK announced that they want a semi-autonomous region in Turkey during 2006-2016
🔺️Did you provoke your enemies when they were sending terrorists with explosives to kill Turkish civilians?
🔺️Did you provoke your enemies when they started aiding the PKK back in the 1990s?
🔺️Did you provoke your enemies when Greece unilaterally announced full maximalist demands in the Mediterranean sea that will steal nearly 90% of Turkish EEZ?
🔺️Did you provoke your enemy when Greece plotted a rebellion in Cyprus that caused the death of tens of thousands of Turkish Cyrpiots out of nowhere?


The game has been started way before the 2000s mate. All of it is done towards one goal; i-e, conquer Syria, Iraq, as well as Turkey. How do they do that? Radicalise minorities, support rebeliions, break the large nation into several smaller ones that are engulfed in a never-ending warfare that slowly weakens them until the time is ripe for certain filthy nations to go in and occupy such lands

Mark my words, the current Zionist plan is to divide Syria into 5 states, Turkey into 3-4 states, and Iraq into 3 states.
In Turkey's case, Kurds will get their own state derived from Turkish lands, Greece will probably take Istanbul and its surroundings along with Izmir etc while the Turks will be exiled to a small region in the black sea just like when the Ottoman empire just fell.

This is what they want; just read Israeli media and see how they always talk about how to divide Turkey up. It may seem nothing more than propaganda at first but if you look closer, you will find that this plan has been in the making for a long long time

 

[AlperTunga]

Our enemies indeed dont need any provocation to be our enemies But still, if we had continued with drills in East Med or escalated the rhetoric against Greece, Germany would probably not have approved EF sales to Turkey. And indeed US was supporting PKK all along but still F35s were almost on their way to Turkey. Remember we were producing some parts of it as well. Also, I dont think there were so many negative news on Turkey in Israeli media 15 years back. So if we were more careful with our rhetoric and actions, we would most probably not have CAATSA sanctions and more modern air force today. But yes Greece would still be the same and US would still support PKK and Russia would be our rival in Libya. But with a difference. When Turkey now says, ok enough of this. Then Israel would see an air force with 80 F35 and if we were clever enough to backup also with fully upgraded F16s. Similarly, Russia would think twice how much to oppose us in Libya. I hope it is clear what I mean. We should be cunning, and diskret and exploit West as much as possible. But we should also know when to say no and strike back. But only if we are strong enough and can follow up on our word. What we should not be doing: threatening constantly, whining, complaining, supporting political Islam: they have an allergy for that! So do pray five times a day you gain my respect but please dont boast about it dont impose it to others dont use it for politics dont mix it for government affairs etc. They will still not like Turks but I am sure we will be much better off.