TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Saithan]

Yes probably. He talked about the difficulties that may be experienced in the supply of subsystems at the production stage, if foreign components are procured.

Did we have our domestic radar that can be utilized for the 4x extended range ?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Did we have our domestic radar that can be utilized for the 4x extended range ?

He used the expression "4x extended range" for Siper Blok-0. The EIRS radar will be used as the main search radar for the Siper.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

So Ukranian engine won't do for us? Then we have to wait for a national engine. And that should take what, two years?

He made a statement about the possibility of experimenting Gezgin missile with a ready engine but I could not fully understand this part.

 

[Abdelaziz]

He used the expression "4x extended range" for Siper Blok-0. The EIRS radar will be used as the main search radar for the Siper.

Eirs is searching ..not a fire control radar

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Eirs is searching ..not a fire control radar

Yes indeed. All will be a part of whole and all will be ready for delivery in 2022.

 

[Zafer]

He made a statement about the possibility of experimenting Gezgin missile with a ready engine but I could not fully understand this part.

A Ukrainan engine will be used for production of prototypes and possible initial batch and a Turkish engine will be used for serial production, same as SOM and Atmaca. Demir didn't say this much but it sounded like it.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

By adding a booster to HİSAR-O+, its range has been increased by 4 times.

Other blocks will come after Siper Block-0

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1471945985429487625

100 km range

 

[Fighter_35]

100 km range

He said less than 100 km to an answer to mete yarars question about 100 km. Probably it is around 80-90 km in range

 

[Cabatli_TR]

• Idealab turbojet motor for Kuzgun-TJ modern modular cruise missile

• TEI-TJ300 for Medium Range Anti-Ship Missile
  

• KTJ-3200 for all SOM variants, Atmaca and Kara-Atmaca shore based cruise missiles

• ARAT turbojet motor for Gezgin long range land attack cruise missile

• Trials of RAMJET propulsion for Anti-ship missile and Air to air missiles will commence in 2022

 

[Combat-Master]

Looks like they've updated the Kuzgun-TJ version of the mockup to what looks like an MMW R/F seeker; ofcourse the seeker would be interchangeable between the three variants

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

He said less than 100 km to an answer to mete yarars question about 100 km. Probably it is around 80-90 km in range

I tought hisar o+ had a range of 25 km, thats why i wrote 100. Anyway good achievment

 

[Hexciter]

 

[Yasar_TR]

Prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR'den GEZGİN Füzesi açıklaması

CNN Türk yayınına katılan Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR, GEZGİN Seyir Füzesi ile ilgili açıklamalarda bulundu.

www.savunmasanayist.com

ARAT engine is being designed to be used in Turkey’s long range cruise missile project “Gezgin”. Great news! But…..
This engine, in spite of all the publicity about being more efficient, longer lasting and better than KTJ-3200, is still a turbojet. Turbojets do not perform as efficiently as turbofans overall. But particularly at lower altitudes where air is denser turbofans excel over turbojets.
I can’t understand our reluctance in developing a mini turbofan for Gezgin class cruise missiles. By starting the trend and a first in turbofan, it may even stimulate our TEI to start producing a turbofan engine. They have already produced an axial flow engine in TJ-300 . Why not produce a turbofan version too? It may be more expensive. Yes! But the missile it is going to power is not going to be cheap either.

 

[Zafer]

Prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR'den GEZGİN Füzesi açıklaması

CNN Türk yayınına katılan Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR, GEZGİN Seyir Füzesi ile ilgili açıklamalarda bulundu.

www.savunmasanayist.com

ARAT engine is being designed to be used in Turkey’s long range cruise missile project “Gezgin”. Great news! But…..
This engine, in spite of all the publicity about being more efficient, longer lasting and better than KTJ-3200, is still a turbojet. Turbojets do not perform as efficiently as turbofans overall. But particularly at lower altitudes where air is denser turbofans excel over turbojets.
I can’t understand our reluctance in developing a mini turbofan for Gezgin class cruise missiles. By starting the trend and a first in turbofan, it may even stimulate our TEI to start producing a turbofan engine. They have already produced an axial flow engine in TJ-300 . Why not produce a turbofan version too? It may be more expensive. Yes! But the missile it is going to power is not going to be cheap either.

Turbojets are faster than turbofans. This engine maybe for a medium range Gezgin like 800km and a future turbofan one maybe for the 1400km version.

 

[Anmdt]

Prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR'den GEZGİN Füzesi açıklaması

CNN Türk yayınına katılan Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail DEMİR, GEZGİN Seyir Füzesi ile ilgili açıklamalarda bulundu.

www.savunmasanayist.com

ARAT engine is being designed to be used in Turkey’s long range cruise missile project “Gezgin”. Great news! But…..
This engine, in spite of all the publicity about being more efficient, longer lasting and better than KTJ-3200, is still a turbojet. Turbojets do not perform as efficiently as turbofans overall. But particularly at lower altitudes where air is denser turbofans excel over turbojets.
I can’t understand our reluctance in developing a mini turbofan for Gezgin class cruise missiles. By starting the trend and a first in turbofan, it may even stimulate our TEI to start producing a turbofan engine. They have already produced an axial flow engine in TJ-300 . Why not produce a turbofan version too? It may be more expensive. Yes! But the missile it is going to power is not going to be cheap either.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gezgin's prototypes are tested with KTJ-3200 or the + version instead of Ukranian engine.

 

[Merzifonlu]

I can’t understand our reluctance in developing a mini turbofan for Gezgin class cruise missiles.

IMO, navigation... Also, 800 km enough for TR Navy for now.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Turbojets are faster than turbofans. This engine maybe for a medium range Gezgin like 800km and a future turbofan one maybe for the 1400km version.

Not necessarily. If turbojets are operating at very high altitude and flying high supersonic, they are faster and more efficient. But at low altitudes where air is denser, turbofans are more efficient and hence, you could say, faster for a given size engine.
This engine is to be used in a subsonic cruise missile. Cruise missiles fly low as part of their design. (High flying subsonic missiles will be easily picked up by enemy radars.)
In fact there is a controversial statement in the news piece; they are claiming that ARAT will be for a missile operating at high altitudes.

quote:
Yüksek irtifa ve zorlu çevresel şartlarda çalışacak özellikte bir tasarım ve kalifikasyona sahip ARAT motoru, seyir füzelerinin de önemli bir ihtiyacını karşılayacak. ARAT, GEZGİN Füzesi’nde kullanılacak.
unquote.

This does not make sense!

 

[Zafer]

Not necessarily. If turbojets are operating at very high altitude and flying high supersonic, they are faster and more efficient. But at low altitudes where air is denser, turbofans are more efficient and hence, you could say, faster for a given size engine.
This engine is to be used in a subsonic cruise missile. Cruise missiles fly low as part of their design. (High flying subsonic missiles will be easily picked up by enemy radars.)
In fact there is a controversial statement in the news piece; they are claiming that ARAT will be for a missile operating at high altitudes.

quote:
Yüksek irtifa ve zorlu çevresel şartlarda çalışacak özellikte bir tasarım ve kalifikasyona sahip ARAT motoru, seyir füzelerinin de önemli bir ihtiyacını karşılayacak. ARAT, GEZGİN Füzesi’nde kullanılacak.
unquote.

This does not make sense!

If we pay a close attention to the wording of the statement it may be understood that the ARAT may be used for multiple purposes like both for a drone and a cruise missile.

 

[TheInsider]

100 km range

Correct use is up to 100km and up to 20km altitude. This doesn't mean it can do 100km at 20km altitude but some interception envelopes can reach 100km range or 20km altitude.

 

[Rodeo]

Turbojets are faster than turbofans. This engine maybe for a medium range Gezgin like 800km and a future turbofan one maybe for the 1400km version.

That's some sweet melody to my ears. I hope we'd see it in a few years.