TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Radonsider]

what dreams ?

intercepting BMs, which is already hard given that Tayfun is pretty fast and can move (not much as HGVs but still)

Kargı and Akbaba will just make things harder

 

[Baryshx]

what dreams ?

Dreams of being able to block SRBMs

 

[bisbis]

So, will we be able to fire this typhoon missile from the plane? At worst, let's shoot from the C-130 or A400M. I think it's quite a long range.

 

[Afif]

intercepting BMs, which is already hard given that Tayfun is pretty fast and can move (not much as HGVs but still)

Kargı and Akbaba will just make things harder

Dreams of being able to block SRBMs

If it is the case then you will just end up in point A.
I mean, if you need to clear the way for missiles by DEAD first, than it is long and costly process. TURAF fighters will need to achieve the air superiority first in order to carry out DEAD.
And after that, it will carry out suppression of enemy air defense systems with AKBABA and other weapons.

the sound tactics are usually the combination of all kind of capabilities.

 

[Radonsider]

Not always

If it is the case then you will just end up in point A.
I mean, if you need to clear the way for missiles by DEAD first, than it is long and costly process. TURAF fighters will need to achieve the air superiority first in order to carry out DEAD.
And after that, it will carry out suppression of enemy air defense systems with AKBABA and other weapons.

You will use those to distract SAMs, not completely destroy them.

No AD system have 100% success rate against BMs and Tayfun being able to manuever and being fast reduces the chances of AD systems intercepting it.

Kargı and Akbaba just adds more complexity for enemy

 

[Afif]

Not always


You will use those to distract SAMs, not completely destroy them.

No AD system have 100% success rate against BMs and Tayfun being able to manuever and being fast reduces the chances of AD systems intercepting it.

Kargı and Akbaba just adds more complexity for enemy

How you gonna distract them?
Some of the latest Morden ADs can engage up to 24 target simultaneously.

you need to physically neutralized the radar completely with the combination of akbaba, glide bombs and EW suppression.

But Yes, I agree no AD is 100% succsessful.

 

[Aloster]

How you gonna distract them? The very Morden ADs can engage up to 24 target simultaneously.


you need to physically neutralized the radar completely.


But Yes, I agree no AD is 100% succsessful.

We dont have only Tayfun. We can use drone as a decoy and other missile like Yıldırım , Bora,. So if u dont produce ur system u cant use indefinitly. U can lock 24 target but u cant fire 24 missile if u dont have

 

[Radonsider]

How you gonna distract them?
Some of the latest Morden ADs can engage up to 24 target simultaneously.

you need to physically neutralized the radar completely with bunch of akbaba and decoys and ew supression.

But Yes, I agree no AD is 100% succsessful.

Even though they can engage to multiple targets, launchers don't have that much.

Oh and we can do more than 50 aircraft (not manned) on air at the same time

 

[Yasar_TR]

Just want to ask a question though
Are quasi-ballistic missiles better than normal ballistic missiles?

Depends what you want to use them for.
At a lower flight trajectory than a ballistic missile, a quasi ballistic missile can maintain higher speed - even hypersonic - , thus allowing it’s target less time to react to the attack. But this is done at the cost of reduced range.
Hence they are usually with shorter ranges.
But because of the nature of their flight path and trajectory quasi ballistic missiles can be highly manoeuvrable too.

For longer reach you need ballistic missiles. But short range ballistic missiles will be more susceptible to AD systems due to longer mid course flight times.
A quasi ballistic missile is a tactical weapon. A longer range ballistic missile is a strategic weapon.

 

[Altay2071]

It isn’t totally rubbish!
1. Almost all missiles are intercept-able.
2. Don’t believe everything Russians claim about Iskander. Yes it is 90cm diameter 4 ton missile. But it’s hypersonic speed hype is a bit far fetched.
3. Barak 8 is a very modern and specially designed missile, with dual pulse motor, as an anti ballistic missile , especially against tactical ballistic missiles with a range of 500km. It has TVC high degree of manoeuvrability at interception stage with the help of an Aesa radar.
4. In Karabakh Iskander missiles Armenia had were export versions. Armenians did not really know fully how to operate them.
5. Ukraine did not have much of an answer to Iskander missiles.
6. In any conflict the trick lies in how well you can suppress and/or take out of equation your enemy’s AD radar systems.
Tayfun will be a formidable missile and very hard to intercept. It will push the Greeks to spend billions on new AD systems.

Those billions will come from EU or America. Don't forget that they have deleted 200 billion EUR of greece debt. Greece just received 35 bn EUR as part of Covid relief. It is a fallacy to look at greece finances alone. We need to test these things as secretly as possible, unless we are confident we are close to US or Israeli technology and produced them in sufficient quantity. In that case even the big brothers will realize it is becoming too expensive to protect their spoiled protege.

 

[Altay2071]

@Radonsider

it seems that the turks are testing their own LORA.

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Now that I found someone from Israel, I allow myself an off-topic question. Why on earth are you waiting for Iran to develop a nuke? With all the absolute air superiority, missiles, and AD systems. Sometimes I cannot help but think you are hidden allies with those mullahs!?

 

[Oublious]

The leading Greek newspaper Kathimerini carried TAYFUN to its headline today:

"Double threat from Ankara! A ballistic missile test was added to the Turkish threats. TAYFUN traveled about 560 km before finding its target on the coast of Sinop. Kalın also threatened Greece!

The successful test of a short-range surface-to-surface ballistic missile called "Tayfun" at the shooting range in the Black Sea is the latest example of the weapon systems completed and put into use by the Turkish Armed Forces by the Turkish "Roketsan" industry.

Such a missile is a clear threat to the infrastructure of the Greek Armed Forces, since almost our entire country is within this range. "Tayfun" is the 3rd missile system in the series produced by Roketsan. In recent years, the medium-range "Bora" (280 km) has already been used in northern Syria.

While the Turks were conducting a ballistic missile test, the Turkish Presidency spokesman Kalin demanded the withdrawal of all military forces in the Eastern Aegean islands, insisting on threats against Greece, arguing that otherwise there would be consequences.

Mr. Kalın imposes the complete disarmament of the Greek islands as a precondition for de-escalation. "The source of tension is the Greek side, which should take measures to reduce tension. Let's start with the withdrawal of weapons, equipment, troops, etc.," he said.

via hermes_z

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1582635817939312640

calimerooo...

 

[Oublious]

How you gonna distract them?
Some of the latest Morden ADs can engage up to 24 target simultaneously.

you need to physically neutralized the radar completely with the combination of akbaba, glide bombs and EW suppression.

But Yes, I agree no AD is 100% succsessful.

on paper yes....

 

[Afif]

@Altay2071
Absolute air superiority won't mean much, given iran is thousand km away from Israel.
Without massive air refueling israel won't be able to dominate the Iranian airspace.

And what do you specifically suggesting?

An Israeli air strike won't set back iran's nuclear program more than 1/2 years.
for a relatively succsessful air strike, USAF's heavy bombers will definitely need to be involved in the operation.

Last but not the least, let's not wish for another conflict in the middle east.

 

[Altay2071]

@Altay2071
Absolute air superiority won't mean much, given iran is thousand km away from Israel.
Without massive air refueling israel won't be able to dominate the Iranian airspace.

And what do you specifically suggesting?

An Israeli air strike won't set back iran's nuclear program more than 1/2 years.
for a relatively succsessful air strike, USAF's heavy bombers will definitely need to be involved in the operation.

Last but not the least, let's not wish for another conflict in the middle east.

I think total collapse of Iran is a must both for Israel (if they sincerely see them as threat) and Türkiye. The total military apparatus of Iran should be destroyed. Unfortunately US is after foolish games and does not see the need for israeli Türkiye cooperation in this.

 

[Afif]

I think total collapse of Iran is a must both for Israel (if they sincerely see them as threat) and Türkiye. The total military apparatus of Iran should be destroyed. Unfortunately US is after foolish games and does not see the need for israeli Türkiye cooperation in this.

You mean the collapse of the current rulers?
Because if the country itself collapse, then there will be another refugee crisis in the middle east.

 

[hoz]

Do you guys know if Tayfun missile is fitted with liquid fuel?

 

[Afif]

Do you guys know if Tayfun missile is fitted with liquid fuel?

very very unlikely.

 

[Altay2071]

You mean the collapse of the current rulers?
Because if the country itself collapse, then there will be another refugee crisis in the middle east.

I mean the collapse of all military apparatus. Once the missile launchers are taken out, Iran is without protection. One then needs to bomb 6 months so that they wont be ever able to treat even Katar.

 

[Zafer]

If Iran becomes weak Turkic strain in the country will rise, that's the reason why they don't want to damage Iran all that much.