TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[dBSPL]

If the AKINCI is ready to go on a mission with two fully loaded pneumatic quad racks, our missile truck is ready

 

[Strong AI]

If the AKINCI is ready to go on a mission with two fully loaded pneumatic quad racks, our missile truck is ready

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/SADAK-2T_ENG.pdf

Sadak 2T (110kg , 388kg fully loaded)
Sadak 4T (175kg , 731kg fully loaded)

Sadak 4T is carried under the belly of Akinci, as it can’t carry that load on wings.
Akinci has around 950kg payload capacity to carry externally. I doubt if it can manage 2 x Sadak 2T on wings as well.

As with different engines, Akinci has different payload capacities. But even with the 2 x PT6 engines giving 2 x 850HP power, it has a maximum of 1500kg payload capacity, 400kg of it being for internal. It has also be remembered that the wing structure can manage lower weight handling than it’s belly.

 

[dBSPL]

If the PT-6 can provide enough take-off power to lift two quad racks loaded, I think that sooner or later the carry limit for the main inner stations of the aircraft will be increased. Please correct me if I am wrong, but this section is already being produced monolithically with the main fuselage. We know that the under fuselage station has a 2000 lb standard.

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By the way, maybe it has not attracted much attention due to the frequent sharing of Baykar test activities, maybe due to the national agenda, but we see that AKINCI has made a great breakthrough in smart precision ammunition in the last month. Not only TOLUN IIR, but also KUZGUN-SS, TOLUN (INS/GPS), MAM-T IIR/TV, TEBER firing tests continued in the same month. In my opinion, these munitions and SDBs in the 200-500 lbs range can be real specialty of systems like AKINCI.

 

[Yasar_TR]

If the PT-6 can provide enough take-off power to lift two quad racks loaded, I think that sooner or later the carry limit for the main inner stations of the aircraft will be increased. Please correct me if I am wrong, but this section is already being produced monolithically with the main fuselage. We know that the under fuselage station has a 2000 lb standard.

I know we all would like this bird to perform better. But there is reality and there is wishful thinking. 4T Sadak fully loaded is 731kg. You can’t have these on the wings. Under belly of Akinci will only accommodate a single Sadak-4T. (Unless we come up with a lighter Sadak-8T, which can detract from Akinci’s max altitude and endurance)

This test is nice but it is not really pushing the boundaries. It is mentioned that the Canadian PT6 turboprops were powering the Akinci in the test. (Akinci-C) .
The test was carried out from an altitude of 22000ft (6700m). The IIR seeker Tolun is a winged gliding precision bomb. The higher it is released from the longer it will travel. Aselsan gives 80km range for 40000ft.
The lower the altitude the more the Akinci is susceptible to AD missile attacks. Even a RAM block 2 could take out this drone at that altitude.

Taking Akinci’s and Tolun IIR’s performance envelopes in to consideration, this test only proves that this munition is qualified to this drone. It is not a performance that proves what both can do. So, I say, before thinking about using Akinci as a munition mule, let us try to get the most out of the equipment that we have in hand.

Bayraktar AKINCI’dan TOLUN IIR ile tam isabet

Bayraktar AKINCI TİHA, milli olarak geliştirilen kızılötesi arayıcı başlıklı güdümlü mühimmat TOLUN IIR ile gerçekleştirdiği atış testinde hedefi tam isabetle vurdu.

gdh.digital

 

[Kaan Azman]

Not sure about a SADAK-8T but I'm pretty sure a SADAK-6T is possible.

The central pylon is rated for 1+ tonnesa

 

[boredaf]

Not sure about a SADAK-8T but I'm pretty sure a SADAK-6T is possible.

The central pylon is rated for 1+ tonnesa
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Sadak also has a double version, so, in theory Akıncı could carry 4 Tolun under its carriage and might be able to carry 2 under each inner pylons.

 

[Saithan]

I think it's important that our UAV can fly above the reach of shoulder launched AD systems, and other SRAD. Otherwise we'll be losing lots of UAV just for kicks.

I get the feeling that we're stuck here and been for a while. And I get the feeling that some companies are getting sucked into unnecessary production tussle of sorts, I mean Baykar had to breakthrough a lot of resistance while they were just new, and untested and unproven.

But now, they're getting sucked into too much political stuff imo.

Where is the next UAV that pushes the boundry of 60k-72k ft ?

I think it's good that we've changed doctrins and such, but it won't help us if we still get left behind because we're not good enough. It's like inventing the wheel, but others take it to the next level and we're pulling a horsecart around.

But would it be possible to have 2 UAV workingin tandem. One spotting in enemy territory and another launching these munition from within our own borders to hit the target ? (even if they fly at different heights ?).

 

[I_Love_F16]

Where is the next UAV that pushes the boundry of 60k-72k ft ?

Yeah but to fly at these altitudes we need a turbofan engine. Currently we don’t have one. Most of our UAV’s uses piston engines.

 

[somegoodusername]

I think it's important that our UAV can fly above the reach of shoulder launched AD systems, and other SRAD. Otherwise we'll be losing lots of UAV just for kicks.

Don’t we need a SAR radar for that? Many of our UAVs that were shot down were flying below cloud cover because they couldn’t see or target through the clouds using just the EOTS.

 

[Strong AI]

Don’t we need a SAR radar for that? Many of our UAVs that were shot down were flying below cloud cover because they couldn’t see or target through the clouds using just the EOTS.

AESA SAR POD - ASELSAN

www.aselsan.com

 

[somegoodusername]

AESA SAR POD - ASELSAN

www.aselsan.com

And? Here is a brochure for the Altay, 0 out of 2,378 tanks in our inventory. SAR radars are installed on very few of our UAVs.

BMC - ALTAY TANKI

Türkiye’nin lider askeri araç üreticisi BMC tarafından geliştirilen YENİ ALTAY Tankı ülkemize ve milletimize hayırlı olsun.

www.bmc.com.tr

 

[Kaan Azman]

FULMAR 200-A will begin its tests this year but if you are looking for something in service, a good amount of ANKA UCAVs use MİLSAR for maritime surveillance in DzKK service.

 

[Sanchez]

AESA SAR POD - ASELSAN

www.aselsan.com

Pods are fine and all but as said, its a third party solution to a greater issue. We'll still need a tailor made UAV for the role. And indeed, SAR pods seem too specialized and not enough in service.

 

[Radonsider]

Roketsan Tayfun;
more than 280km range,
6.5m length,
2300kg weight,
better than10m CEP,
hypersonic cruise speed

 

[Afif]

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Thanks mate. I always wondered if this would happen. It almost like they read my mind.

Türkiye wants to share its best capabilities with its trusted partners.

 

[Saithan]

I was not aware that we had propulsion power that could push payload in the hypersonic category.

I know we talked alot about it in the past threads, but surely we haven't developed a new engine that does it, right ?

Are they feeding more fuel to existing engine to push it into hypersonic ?

 

[Agha Sher]

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Roketsan Tayfun;
more than 280km range,
6.5m length,
2300kg weight,
better than10m CEP,
hypersonic cruise speed

The most North Korean truck in the market. Damn it is ugly.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I was not aware that we had propulsion power that could push payload in the hypersonic category.

I know we talked alot about it in the past threads, but surely we haven't developed a new engine that does it, right ?

Are they feeding more fuel to existing engine to push it into hypersonic ?

Well, even Bora missile briefly touches the domain of hypersonic in it’s suppressed trajectory.
We had discussed this earlier here. But if we remember again; Tayfun flew for 458 seconds and covered 561km crows flight distance. It had to go up to an altitude of 70-90 km for its suppressed midflight. If you add these to the linear distance it has covered, you will have more than 700km. That gives you 4.5+ Mach overall average speed. That means it travels most of it’s midflight in hypersonic speed.

Mr Murat İkinci the MD of Roketsan, had stated that tayfun would have many versions. There were rumours that there was a version being in the pipeline with a capability to hit moving sea targets.
Turkish version will have an expected range of 900km+. Now that will be a carrier killer missile. Nothing will be safe in the Mediterranean East of Malta.

 

[Afif]

The most North Korean truck in the market. Damn it is ugly.

It actually looks pretty nice imo.

 

[what]

It actually looks pretty nice imo.

Not that its matters, but it looks like it has a moustache.