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If Block 3 is just a longer Block 1, then why didn't they exhibit that too? Like what is the secret of it? Doesn't make sense to me.
Did they exhibit Block 1? Nope

This is what ROKETSAN officials said, adding that it was used in the test against sea target

Maybe because we have already seen it on video


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Afaik they said it won't be sold to anyone
If a missile has a range more than 300km and can carry explosives more than 500kg, you are not supposed to sell it under MTCR (missile technology control regime) rules.
 
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MTCR is kind of a joke at this point, in a world where the US has started handing out Tomahawks like they are oranges in the grocery

But hey, it is still on the table as a potential card to be used against Turkiye because they try their best to even catch a fly if it will get us in some trouble.

This is why you see ROKETSAN designating Tayfun's range as 280 km even though we all know this is not the case. (Let's add Kara Atmaca with 400+ km range but designated as 280 km anyway too)
 

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The MTCR is not a treaty and does not impose any legally binding obligations on partners (members). Rather, it is an informal political understanding among states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology.
MTCR is kind of a joke at this point, in a world where the US has started handing out Tomahawks like it is orange in the manav
Same US, however, will impose sanctions if you contradict this regime agreement and even sell technology or parts contrary to MTCR.
It is a tough world with too much hypocrisy. India, a non NATO member buys one s400 after another and is not sanctioned. In fact offered f35s. We, an ally NATO member are thrown out of f35 program and sanctioned.

There is a different rule book for every country. It is written by the strong so that they can bully the weaker.
 

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that i know but i mean has it been tested at least. i saw a new siper missile in an interview with tübitak a month ago
I doubt any serious tests have happened. Some subsystem tests might be in progress. Aselsan will deliver the seeker of Siper 3 in 2028. Even if Aselsan delivers an early prototype no serious tests can be done before 2027. Ballistic tests with telemetry can be done in 2026&2027.
 

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I am glad we were aware what we are miasing in terms of missiles and ammunitions and took necessary steps in that regard. Now we are collecting fruits
 

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Kale was already producing jet engines in the hundreds said in an interview last year i believe with savunmasanayist this likely to increase production to 4 digit numbers
 

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@TheInsider Is Tayfun-4 a proper Hypersonic missile or not? Heard some people on voicechat on X saying it's not. What do you think?
It depends on what you mean. Every ballistic missile that is longer than a certain range is a hypersonic missile. After that comes the question: Does ground impact happen at hypersonic speeds? For me, if ground impact happens at hypersonic speeds, it is a hypersonic missile; if not, then it is not. There is no official info on Tayfun block 4, but i'm suspicious that impact happens at hypersonic speeds, so it is a hypersonic missile for me.
 

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It depends on what you mean. Every ballistic missile that is longer than a certain range is a hypersonic missile. After that comes the question: Does ground impact happen at hypersonic speeds? For me, if ground impact happens at hypersonic speeds, it is a hypersonic missile; if not, then it is not. There is no official info on Tayfun block 4, but i'm suspicious that impact happens at hypersonic speeds, so it is a hypersonic missile for me.
Okay, just wanted to know. There is some iranian guy and he's yapping about the project.
 

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TÜBİTAK SAGE Unveils GÖKHAN Air-to-Air Missile for the First Time at IDEF 2025

Key Features:


💢 Long-range engagement at speeds of Mach 2 and above
💢 Navigation system immune to jamming (INS + GPS)
💢 Indigenous warhead and compact electronic architecture
💢 Precision speed control via active thrust vectoring
💢 Advanced post-launch algorithm
💢 Two-way data link: Retargeting, handover, guidance updates
💢 Wide engagement envelope against high-maneuverability targets

Wide adjustable speed range(between mach 2 and 5) and wide engegement envelope is two qualities of this missile that no other AA ramjet missile in the world has.

Meteor, for example, has difficulties in some engagement envelopes at certain angles. Speed adjustability is also very narrow and not precise.
 

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Now seeing this, do any of our cruise/ballistic missiles have an airbust warhead version? Cluster ATAMCS were doing work in Russia
 

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Murat İkinci, noting that the TAYFUN project is currently underway with mass production and deliveries underway, said, "The BLOK-4 missile is currently one of the heaviest, largest, and fastest missiles developed by Roketsan. This is one of the most advanced examples of ballistic missile technology, demonstrating the current state of the Turkish defense industry in line with the developments taking place around us. The TAYFUN BLOK-4 is a missile that will strengthen the Turkish Armed Forces due to its hypersonic and long-range capabilities, as well as its warhead."

Murat İkinci, noting that the missile they developed incorporates ballistic missile technology and pinpoint-hit missile technologies, said, "The TAYFUN BLOK-4 development phase is nearing completion, and test launches are hopefully beginning. The TAYFUN family is a large one and will expand even further. The TAYFUN blocks and features will expand as a family, depending on the variety of warheads and the missions to be performed."

Murat İkinci explained that R&D studies are ongoing, saying, "When these R&D studies reach a certain level of maturity, we will share them, as we did with the Tayfun BLOK-4. Some may be abandoned before reaching a certain level of maturity. However, the TAYFUN family will continue to seriously enhance its features and capabilities by adding new ones. One of the TAYFUN's key features, in addition to being hypersonic, is its onboard sensors. These sensors incorporate numerous technologies that allow it to effectively engage its target and protect itself from battlefield impacts. From this perspective, we can say that the TAYFUN BLOK-4 is actually one of the most advanced examples of the TAYFUN family. Are there more? Yes, there are. There are other blocks in the works. When these reach a certain level of maturity, we will share them with our people, God willing."


Murat İkinci, explaining that the GÖKBORA missile unveiled at the fair is a member of the solid-fuel ramjet family, said, "A solid-fuel ramjet is a missile developed for the first time in Türkiye. As you know, TÜBİTAK SAGE's GÖKHAN missile features liquid-fuel ramjet technology. We are also working very closely with TÜBİTAK SAGE. That missile and our GÖKBORA missile can essentially be launched from within the KIZILELMA and KAAN platforms, that is, from their internal weapon stations. This will enable it to engage air targets without compromising their stealth capabilities."

Murat İkinci, noting that the missile is a ramjet and a very long-range missile with a beyond-visual-range capability, said, "This missile, with its capabilities, can actually navigate its target using data collected not only from onboard sensors but also from other sensors. It incorporates numerous technologies. This will be one of the features we are maximizing in our air-to-air missile. Numerous organizations have contributed to this missile. Roketsan's advantage is that it has invested heavily in the ramjet project for the past three or four years. We have reached a certain level of progress in this area. Hopefully, we will begin testing the first versions of the GÖKBORA missile very soon."

Murat İkinci emphasized that they are focusing their R&D efforts on systems not supplied to Türkiye, stating that the GÖKBORA has far superior features compared to its counterparts not supplied to Türkiye.

 
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